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He enabled Israel by continuing to supply their genocide. The US was getting roped into Israel’s war either way. Both are senile assholes. Kamala never had a chance because Biden’s hubris
She might have had a chance, but at every turn she chose to say she would be no different from Biden. The fundamental reality is that people are disgusted by the status quo and don't show up for those that say nothing will change.
I still swallowed my pride and voted for her anyway, but I've never been so insulted as when I heard the "greatest economy ever" line over and over.
It was great, just not for the regular working people that normal economic barometer's used by governments ignore.
That's exactly why it was insulting. It's basically saying "I'm sorry you can't afford a house, but the stock market is great!"
Any reasonable voter did.
Tell yourself that all you want buddy. I wish I hadn't voted for her, it was stupid voting for someone who clearly gives no shits about fighting fascism or preventing genocide, and I won't be voting for blue presidents ever again bc they're only going to get further and further right
Because it makes so much more sense to abstain from voting so now your vote is for fascism as opposed to picking the non-fascist.
It's peak denial of reality
"as opposed to picking the non-fascist" Liberals are fascists. They have done nothing at all to oppose trump. When they stop siding with fascists over progressives literally every single time, maybe you'll have something remotely resembling a point
When there's 9 people at a table and a fascist sits, etc etc
Liberals I'd say are to the immediate left of fascism. They definently enable policies that allow fascists to exist. While never taking that power themselves.
What people like you seem to forget is that our voting system is fundamentally broken and flawed. It limits our voice so short of a revolution we have to pick damage contol.
Funnily enough the only people that have tried to fix it are the democrats. Plenty of states under democratic control have pushed for a popular vote for president. It's not going to fix the voting system, but it would be a big improvement and then you would actually have a significantly better chance to get a third party canidate elected. Then you would have a point.
I'm cool with fighting for some things liberals also fight for, especially those kinda of voting reforms, bc along with ensuring conservatives lose every election, i bet it'd force liberals to actually appeal to the left to not risk losing to real progressives. Sadly they'll prob stop supporting that the moment it actually threatens to change the status quo at all
THERE ARE MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR
QUIT EXCUSING YOUR UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR LIBERALS
Just say you love killing gazans and getting fascists into office, there's no other explanation for thinking democrats are even remotely decent
REPUBLICAN VOTERS ALWAYS VOTE REPUBLICAN. So if you want to split the liberal vote, you guarantee a Republican victory, because the ONLY FUCKING PEOPLE that will vote for this mythical 3rd option IS THE FUCKING LIBERALS.
All caps doesn't make you right buddy. I hate it, but until we can reform our fundamentally flawed system there are two options. Especially for president. If you split a state to a progressive canidate you almost garuntee a Fascist/Republican victory. The system itself is flawed. I'm sorry it's a harsh reality to accept. I was like you once. I made this very mistake back in 2016, and I vowed to never be such a fool again.
Don't chose fascism friend.
Save the weak and overdone character attacks. The apartheid state of Israel has no right to exist. Unfortunately that wasn't on my ballot and no torching my vote didn't put it on the ballot either.
So what have you done in the previous nine years to reform the voting system?
Only one of two people can win. Feel free, vote for Vermin Supreme. You and the other 2 people who voted for him will be very happy you threw away your vote.
The rest of us got Trump, thanks.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermin_Supreme
Why?
The economy was/is abysmal for the average American. School is unaffordable, housing is unaffordable, and food is becoming increasingly unaffordable.
When they were saying the economy was good, they were saying stocks were up. Which mostly benefits the wealthiest.
They did show up. Kamala Harris won more votes than Barack Obama.
People talk like the Democrats didn't successfully twist arms and browbeat supporters into showing up for them in droves. 75,017,613 people voted for Kamala Harris, despite her vile stench.
Trump simply brought in more.
You were correct until the last sentence.
HitlerPig cheated, and we all know it. Cheating is their brand. They would cheat even if they KNEW they were going to win.
Dems went right to the "fair & square" line IMMEDIATELY after the election without even taking the slightest look at the evidence.
Now we are finding evidence in many places of very weird results, and the Dems are still trying to sell the concept of voters who voted a straight Democratic ticket, except HitlerPig at the top. I'm sure there are a few, but they are as rare as white squirrels. I've never met one, and I've never seen anyone claim to be one in the media, either. If there are so many of them that it SWUNG THE ELECTION, then let's talk to these people. Where are they?
Nixon accused JFK of buying votes all through Illinois after the 1960 election. And we have ample statistical and anecdotal evidence to suggest the Dem machine in Chicago was absolutely stacking the deck in JFK's favor. But we also have ample statistical and anecdotal evidence to suggest the GOP machine was stacking the deck in the south of the state.
Subsequently, when Nixon recaptured the executive branch in '68 (following a series of very convenient political upheavals) he implemented the "Southern Strategy" to win over Dixiecrat leadership and cement a Republican majority across the Gulf Coast for the next 80 years. The same Democrats who had been winning elections on the back of that machine in the 60s/70s became Republicans winning with the same machine at their backs in the 80s/90s.
This isn't a problem unique to Trump. It's baked into the decentralized, county-lead, deliberately opaque and byzantine electoral counting and reporting system. Katherine Harris was fucking with Florida elections in 2000 the same way Brad Raffensperger fucked with Georgia elections in 2024.
And don't look too hard at California's ascendancy of Silicon Valley shills or the cop-lead effort to elevate Eric Adams to the NYC Mayorship or the Richie Torries seat in the Bronx or the current ratfvckery with Cuomo.
There is that part about the voting machines and how certain districts got literally 100% Trump votes, which is… pretty impossible.
There's the "machines are rigged" explanation, which I've been torn on.
But there's also the far more likely "the city officials simply don't let you in if they think you're not going to vote for Trump" which I find much more believable.
Watch HBO's documentary Hacking Democracy, and then realize that Republicans, Sociopathic Oligarchs, Russia, China, North Korea, and others, have been operating sophisticated hacking programs ever since. You won't be torn anymore.
To believe that extremely powerful forces have NOT been trying to control our elections for years, is extremely naive.
I've seen bits of it and heard some of the highnotes covered in other media. I think one of the producers was on the TrashFuture podcast at one point... or another one I listen to.
Either way, the Russia/China/North Korea/Insert-Evil-Foreigner-Here (but never Israel or Saudi Arabia or Qatar, because we're friends and they would never dream of...) angle was overhyped, while the degree to which local county clerks and judges fuck with this was under reported.
Election manipulation, particularly domestically, is a very touchy subject. It's been proven to depress voter turnout in the receptive demographic. So you're stuck with this dilemma of trying to alert people to manipulation without deterring them from turning out in the next cycle. The line that both liberals and conservatives throw out is "We have to vote in such huge numbers that they can't cheat us!" which can be an effective rallying cry in the moment. But it doesn't work if you don't ever do anything to address the claims down the line.
Even when Obama's campaign swept the Atlantic Coast in 2008, what did his DOJ do to confront all the Bush-era fuckery thereafter? Same with Trump in 2016, screaming "Lock her up!" at Hillary while insisting she's rigged the whole vote, then... just shrugging and ignoring her while in office. Really kicks the legs out of your base when you spend a year complaining about how inherently unfair the election process has become and then announcing "We won so I guess everything is fine".
I was so hopefully after she picked Walz. And then she fucking chained herself to Biden and all my hope faded.
I agree 100%. She would have been better in that she’s coherent, but just another neolib failing to address systemic problems.
We would have been able to focus on international issues and not worrying about the entire country crashing down around us like some handmaids tale nightmare.