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[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

hey turns out our tech oligarchs are the ones spying on us and not the chinese, what a twist!

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee -1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 17 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

What are the Chinese going to do to you with your data Vs say the tech firm selling your data to insurance companies?

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

the evil ccp use your data to sell you cheaper commodities, the free west use your data to restrict your rights

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah and both of those are bad. Product dumping kills local businesses, like how the US sending clothes overseas kills domestic textile industries, and processed food aid kills farms needed for self-sufficiency.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

lmao as if i could give a shit about petit-bourgeoisie going out of business.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee -3 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, only megacorps and slave labor! Because fuck people owning the means of production, am I right?

[–] pinkapple@lemmy.ml 7 points 15 hours ago

Small shops aren't the means of production but the profit extraction still operates through robbing wage slaves of the surplus value they create. The petite bougie bosses you're trying to shill for are some of the most reactionary elements that go straight for fascism because it promises them protections from international capital (which is defined as a conspiratorial cabal unlike domestic capital hence their almost anti-capitalist rhetoric sometimes). They're also some of the most cruel because they directly cheat employees that they know and interact with personally.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 16 hours ago

Yes, i want highly centralized production owned by the people not highly decentralized production owned by a multitude of petit-bourgeoisie. I want stuff to be abundant for everybody through mass production, not highly constrained by small scale production.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee -3 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Better targeted psyops. Same the the CIA does.

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 12 points 17 hours ago

I mean, if they are then you should be rooting for them. Your living conditions would skyrocket under Chinese hegemony

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] catloaf@lemm.ee -3 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

What do you mean "what psyops"? Are you unaware that both China and the US, as well as almost every other country around the world, conduct foreign influence campaigns?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-voters-targeted-by-chinese-influence-online-researchers-say-2024-09-03/

And I'm sure I don't need to give you examples of American campaigns. Most of Hollywood contributes.

[–] bort@hexbear.net 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Was really waiting for them to reveal how they knew this campaign was Chinese.

I can believe that it’s something China could do, but I’m not sure why I should believe this article’s assumptions without evidence provided.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee -2 points 16 hours ago

I'd be more surprised if countries like the US, China, and Russia weren't trying to influence each other.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

are you seriously comparing actual cia psyops to this accusation?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee -2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

It seemed like the best source available from a ten-second Google search while taking a shit, but I can nip down to the local CIA field office and pick up some classified ops docs if you want a primary source, I'm sure they make that info available.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

oh no need. CIA psyoping has been publicly admitted to by the us government themselves, and some of their own officials.

quite a few of the people-are-dying atrocities too.

[–] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 5 points 17 hours ago

can you please tell me how exactly chinese psyops will destroy the US? 'cause i can't really see how anything they could would hurt the world.

would the chinese, perhaps, campaign for communism in the US? how could that possibly be bad?