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Why a professor of fascism left the US: ‘The lesson of 1933 is – you get out’ (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 8 months ago by HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works to c/news@lemmy.world

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She finds the whole idea absurd. To Prof Marci Shore, the notion that the Guardian, or anyone else, should want to interview her about the future of the US is ridiculous. She’s an academic specialising in the history and culture of eastern Europe and describes herself as a “Slavicist”, yet here she is, suddenly besieged by international journalists keen to ask about the country in which she insists she has no expertise: her own. “It’s kind of baffling,” she says.

In fact, the explanation is simple enough. Last month, Shore, together with her husband and fellow scholar of European history, Timothy Snyder, and the academic Jason Stanley, made news around the world when they announced that they were moving from Yale University in the US to the University of Toronto in Canada. It was not the move itself so much as their motive that garnered attention. As the headline of a short video op-ed the trio made for the New York Times put it, “We Study Fascism, and We’re Leaving the US”.

Starkly, Shore invoked the ultimate warning from history. “The lesson of 1933 is: you get out sooner rather than later.” She seemed to be saying that what had happened then, in Germany, could happen now, in Donald Trump’s America – and that anyone tempted to accuse her of hyperbole or alarmism was making a mistake. “My colleagues and friends, they were walking around and saying, ‘We have checks and balances. So let’s inhale, checks and balances, exhale, checks and balances.’ I thought, my God, we’re like people on the Titanic saying, ‘Our ship can’t sink. We’ve got the best ship. We’ve got the strongest ship. We’ve got the biggest ship.’ And what you know as a historian is that there is no such thing as a ship that can’t sink.”

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[–] hraegsvelmir@ani.social 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There's also another category, "I can leave, but I don't want to leave behind people important to me that would be at significantly more risk than I am." I've got the work experience to head off to any of several fairly comfortable and stable countries on a skilled work visa, and hope that, if push comes to shove, none of my debts I currently have in the US would become obstacles to my permanently settling there. I can more or less fluently speak Spanish and Portuguese, and I can get by fine in French. Within a couple more years, I'll have a degree from a European university completed, and I continue to study other languages, with varying degrees of success.

I'm still hanging around, waiting for my sister-in-law to finish up her degree in another two years so that the three of us could all get out at once, as, despite being a naturalized citizen for more than 20 years, I wouldn't put it past ICE and the current administration to target her just for having darker skin and a slight accent to her English. I'd rather be here where I can watch out for her and raise hell ASAP if something were to happen, than be posted up in a new flat in France or something, and suddenly realize I can't get in contact with her at all.

There's also the simple fact that, for those who don't have the means to legally obtain a visa, I'm unaware of any nation that has started accepting asylum cases from the US on the grounds of the current administration's actions and policies. Yeah, I could walk to the border with Canada, or overstay on a tourist trip in Europe, but then you face the very real possibility of being caught and sent back, straight into the hands of the very people you are trying to escape, clearly marking yourself out as a dissident of some form. This is leaving aside all the issues you would face as an undocumented immigrant in a foreign nation. I sure don't have the funds to just show up in Ireland or Portugal and be able to get myself somewhere to stay indefinitely, clothe and feed myself, even assuming I find work within the first few months. I don't know anyone there that could help me land on my feet.

Getting out, and more importantly, being able to assure you can stay out, is not as simple a task as people who haven't seriously looked into it might think.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

The issue here is that if you stay for someone else, someone else will stay for you.

My family agreed that if something were to happen in our country (be it a war or something political like in the US right now), anyone who can will make it out as fast as possible and prepares the path for the others. Because it's much easier toget a visum if you already have family there and a place to live.

And yes, you are right, nobody wants Americans in their country, but that's just why it would be helpful to have someone prepare the way.