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[–] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 87 points 1 day ago (21 children)

There probably would be peace in the Middle East if Israel didn't exist

[–] chortle_tortle@mander.xyz 82 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Were there not an Israel the USA would have to invent an Israel to protect her interest in the region.

[–] Crankenstein@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well, considering that the US and Britain literally invented Israel, that tracks.

[–] ztwhixsemhwldvka@lemmy.world 0 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

The British restricted Jewish, particularly Zionist, immigration to Palestine towards the end of the Mandate. And abstained from voting for the creation of the partition at the UN.

[–] Crankenstein@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Yea, they say they restricted the Jewish immigrants. Yet, if you read the article posted in my other comment, you'd see that their actions during the time period of their mandate speaks a different tale.

Them abstaining from the vote is purely performative, and doesn't negate the rest of what they did to facilitate the colonization of Palestine.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 2 points 12 hours ago

The british should have stopped the zionist army after the zionists terrorist act against their personels ftom creating the terrorist state

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm curious and have no idea. Source? I never heard of this.

[–] Crankenstein@lemmy.world 15 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Just look up the history of Israel before it was given statehood and of Zionism. Here is a good article by the Guardian. warning, it's a very complicated situation, all in all, and this article really gets into the nitty gritty of history. Literally, deep into it. It's some heavy reading.

Boiled down though...

After the defeat of the Ottomans and their empire partitioned off to various countries after the Sinai and Palestine campaigns of WW1, the British were given control via a mandate by the League of Nations over a territory that became known as the Mandate of Palestine, but it was still mostly Arab citizens, the British were just given authority to maintain order in the region.

During the years of occupation, the British government encouraged European Jews to settle the region in an effort to fulfill political obligations to the Zionist movement made at what is known as the Balfour Declaration. This caused a civil war to break out over the whole colonization thing.

With the end of the Mandate over the region drawing to an end, and the tensions of the area heightened after civil war, the U.N. voted to subdivide the Mandate of Palestine into two separate states: Palestine and Israel

[–] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 2 points 8 hours ago

That link starts off saying this is an article from 24 years ago, and I’m thinking wow, a cool chance to read an article from the 70s, and then I see the date reads 2001!

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 3 points 12 hours ago

Here a good article about british complicity into heping the creation of the state of israel

https://www.declassifieduk.org/how-britain-supported-zionism-and-prevented-palestinian-freedom

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Here's the long version.

Short version is that in WW1, the UK conquered Palestine from the Ottoman empire. 1922-1948, the British ran the territory, getting shot at regularly by both native Arabs, the tiny number of native Jews, and the comparatively much larger group of immigrant Jews. In the 1940s, the UK asked for and got US help with counterterrorist operations, especially against Jewish ones. Arabs and Jews pinky promised to play nice with each other if the UK left, so rather than continue getting shot by everyone in the region, they left. Arabs and Jews immediately started a war as soon as the UK army left. Then, every single neighbouring country attacked the newly formed Israel, which they somehow survived.

(Missing HUGE amounts of context and nuance here, obviously)

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

You two just left out the entire nakba.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Yup. Did specifically say that I was missing tons of stuff in that super short summary of the formation of Israel. Also left out the Balfour declaration, the White Paper of 1939, the Buraq uprising, the Black Hand, Lehi and their attempted alliance with Nazi Germany, and much much more.

[–] LSNLDN@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

a "little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is that a quote from somewhere?

[–] LSNLDN@slrpnk.net 4 points 23 hours ago

Yep as is the one above. Look into these quotes and you’ll see the history of why the west are supporting this genocide with their actions even if outwardly they’re doing their best to obfuscate

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