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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

We appreciate the perspective. I would say my concern is that there won't be much of a cost for going along and abusing citizens. There are a lot of voices on the left of our political spectrum that are very much stuck in the "law and order" and "back the blue" mindset, so even when those forces are clearly contributing to the degradation of orderly society, no one is willing to put pressure on them from above. And pressure from below is met with extreme force that's then propagandized by our news media to be a justified reaction and that anything less than full compliance with law enforcement is inherently illegitimate.

The cops are mostly already aligned with the American right, they've been training to be "warriors" for decades, and the left of center power centers never want to criticize them. Some of them got tired during BLM and would whine about not being appreciated enough, but that's mostly still just a social consequence, and they have so so many voices calling them heroes and encouraging them to be even worse.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago

For sure, I agree that US security services seem rather trigger happy and there are massive issues with propaganda in the US (far worse than in many other countries, perhaps even most countries).

Just sharing some thoughts.

[–] DreadPirateSnuggles@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But American police are also trained to not risk their lives or be heros.

I wonder how much adversity they would be willing to tolerate if there is real violence.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They've been told for years that if they let their guard down or give an inch of kindness they're going to be killed by dangerous minority criminals, and that just made them more violent. They ride around in military surplus vehicles like they're going to be dodging mortar fire and regularly kill unarmed people because they "feared for their lives". They'd need to be experiencing significant and sustained violence before it becomes anything but validating their worldview.

[–] DreadPirateSnuggles@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

True but I'm taking about the kind of violence like the north Hollywood shootout or people going after them at home by often enough that it's not ness worthy.