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article they are referencing: https://futurism.com/atari-beats-chatgpt-chess
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Hundreds of billions of dollars spent
No profitable product
No consistently usable product other than beginner code tasks
Massive environmental harms
Tens of thousands of (useful!) careers terminated
Destroyed Internet search, arguably the one necessary service on the Internet
No chance it's going to get better
Atari 2600 beating it at chess is a perfect metaphor. People who want to complain about it can bite its plastic woodgrain printed ass.
I find this questionable; people forget that a locally-hosted LLM is no more taxing than a video game.
Why do you believe this? It has continued to get dramatically better over the past 5 years. Look at where GPT2 was in 2019.
It is not consistently usable for coding. If you are hoping this slop-producing machine is consistently useful for anything then you are sorely mistaken. These things are most suitable for applications where unreliability is acceptable.
Do you not see the obvious contradiction here? If you are sure that this is not going to get better and it's not profitable, then you have nothing to worry about in the long-term about careers being replaced by AIs.
Google did this intentionally as part of enshittification.
So read and learn.
Fair enough. It's not going to get better because the fundamental problem is AI as represented by, say, ChatGPT doesn't know anything. It has no understanding of anything it's "saying". Therefore, any results derived from ChatGPT or equivalent, will need to be double-checked in any serious endeavor. So, yes it can poop out a legal brief in two seconds but it still has to be revised, refined, and inevitably fixed when it hallucinates precedent citations and just about anything else. That, the core of it, will never get better. It might get faster. It might "sound" "more human". But it won't get better.
Well tell that to the half a million people laid off in the last couple of years. Damage is done. Also, the bubble is still growing, and if you haven't noticed what AI has done to the HR industry, let me summarize it thusly: it has destroyed it.
Well, yes. Every company which has chosen to promote and focus on AI has done so intentionally. That doesn't mean it's good. If AI wasn't the all-hype vaporware it is, this wouldn't have been an option. If OpenAI had been honest about it and said "it's very interesting and we're still working on it" instead of "it's absolutely going to change the world in six months" this wouldn't be the unusable shitpile it is.
I don't think we disagree that much.
But still, I cringe when someone implies open-model locally-hosted AIs are environmentally problematic. They have no sense of scale whatsoever.
Good, so we agree that there is the potential for long-term damage. In other words, AIs are a long-term threat, not just a short-term one. Maybe the bubble will pop but so did the dotcom bubble and we still have the internet.
No, I think enshittification started well before 2022 (ChatGPT). Sure, even before that LLMs were making SEO garbage webpages that google was reporting, so you can blame AI in that regard -- but I don't believe for a second that Google couldn't have found a way to filter those kinds of results out. The user-negative feature was profitable for them, so they didn't fix it. If LLMs hadn't been around, they would have found other ways to make search more user-negative (and they probably did indeed employ such techniques).
I mean, it's pretty good as a productivity tool for programmers as it eliminates a bunch of chore.
Oh my god you 'people'. Did you not read what you replied to?
'people' in scare quotes since coders aren't people I guess.
it introduces more problems than it solves.
Such as?
hallucinations, bugs, security flaws,
I swear you have never actually used copilot while programming and are just making shit up
i swear you have never actually programmed anything
Why? Because I can use a smarter autocomplete and I am open to change and not a dogmatic closeminded person?
nah, because you hype-train bullshit you don’t understand.
and then call people who HAVE tried the thing, ARE educated in the field “dogmatic, close minded” and pretend like they must have never tried it…
it’s ok for absolute beginner tasks, but hallucinates huge problems, so even then a tutorial will serve you better.
Lmao, I have 8+ years of experience and use it daily.
Like I said, it's a pretty good autocomplete, handles changing sql really well.
It's bo different than using IntelliJ editors, they make your life easier.
If you can't use it well, maybe its a PEBKAC issue.
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cool story bro… got any crypto to sell?
Likening being a cryptobro to having copilot installed in your IDE really shows your level of nuance on the topic.
No but I do have some cars running on dino juice, that way you don't have to progress with the times.
likening being on the hype train and calling anyone not on the hype train a close-minded luddite to a cryptobro… iBro
also, ironic that you’re talking about fossil fuels when your ai data centers are all losing money by burning as much fossil fuel as possible (btw petroleum comes from algae, not dinosaurs, child)
I am not on the hype train, I just said that there is one particular case where it's a decent productivity tool, but of course you are either too pompous to accept that, or even worse instead of forming your opinion you adopted the anti-AI circlejerk based on the posts you have seen about it, so now all, even very minor dissenting opinion has to be attacked. well while this was entirely useless exchange at least you made me feel I am back on reddit, so you have that going for you.
Btw I have had copilot installed in VSCode and Intellij since about april of 2023, so well before the hype train that's currently going has even started. i have found it useful then for saving me quite a few keystrokes and I find it useful still for that, also for some other stuff like for changing SQL that is a PiTA to change.
Ps. The fact that you think that Your fucking "well ackhtsually" comment about the commonly used phrase "dino juice" actually shared some new information I haven't known for years just shows much of a pompous ass you are.
you’re the one who got all defensive and started insulting me first…
and now i’m the asshole for responding in kind?
sorry sweaty, if you act like an asshole, people will treat you like an asshole.
Fine, we’ll stipulate to that. The conclusion is upheld.