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To be fair, the typical defenses of that technology are the most maddeningly empty headed shit I've ever read, including conversations with real life fascists and work with people deep into senility.
Listening to enough of them has genuinely given me a substantial vein of anti human 'most of this is just unrefrigerated meat, there is no spark of intellect, no consviousness, no beauty to be found here' type thought.
I wouldn't go into '/stable diffusion fruit' to throw a fit about it, but my first instinct when someone says that tech is good is just straight up assuming, whether its on silicon or meat; the thing im talking to is not a person in any way that matters to me.
Im occasionally wrong, and have to adjust course, but it has become an unsettling oft confirmed default which i very much resent.
I just really want to emphasize here:
this technology is often defended with a stupidity so profound and so stubborn that it has broken the last shreds of my love for humanity, a love for humanity that survived being thrown away onto the street like trash as a child, no small amount of rape abuse life unhoused and tending to those who had suffered so much worse than I. In its place that stupidity has awakened a creeping suspicion that there never was such a thing as 'humanity', and I'm utterly alone in a howling void.
I might be able to give you another perspective.
This technology is the first time that humankind has ever been able to create an interactive snapshot of human culture. Everything thats been written, scanned, drawn has made their mark on those models, and it gives you glimpses in what else there might be in the human cultural space. It's not intelligence, but it's distilled human culture.
I am very critical about the fact that this technology is mainly in the hands of corporations that want to use it as a cost cutting tool. I am also not a fan that GenAI is pushed into everything just to get sweet investor money. I am far less alarmed about the productivity increases themselves, or about copyrights which are normally only wielded as a weapon by the rich.
The power consumption argument doesn't even apply here - the generation of those images does not cost more energy than playing a computer game for 2 minutes, is often done on consumer grade hardware (like the one running here now while i type this), and the training of the models is not necessarily very power hungry if done smart (deepseek used a fraction of the power that GPT4o needed). Also, with the massive expansion of solar power generation (we're at the point where the price starts becoming negative at peak solar output) the power itself starts becoming a non-factor.
Copyrights themselves are a clusterfuck, which is an statement that many artists would agree with. I personally wish for the following (copied from the vote-thread regarding the rule we're discussing):
I hope i could give you a bit hope in humanity back - there are still idealistic people out there.
Again, its not even the technology, its the typical advocate of it. Its the fuckers who defend it as everything it's not, against all evidence.
I'm aware it can be a neat little toy. It even has niche uses in a lab. Not worth the perfect sociological attack vector it seems to be. Trying to convince that it's not your friend, doesn't love you, and isn't making art, and the kind of pushback i get from that, is the real black pill here.
Maybe don't assume all people who support or are interested in a certain thing are the exact same people would be a nice start.
I often wonder about antiAI opinions such as "it isn't making art" what differentiates art to you? When it genuinely does create things that are not already in existence, how do you square that circle?
When people say LLMs are just fancy autocomplete, and I ask it to check an entire nodered flow for logic issues and it points out valid and interesting things I overlooked when designing it, how exactly do you determine that's autocomplete? Because I've used autocomplete or intellisense or whatever and this is leaps and bounds beyond those capabilities.
I said 'i find im wrong sometimes'
But this reads like 'not all men' so im gonna spare myself the rest of your comment.
I'm attempting good faith discussion on something I find interesting, but you do you.
I told you how arguing about this with enthusiasts who don't know what the fuck they're talking about has effected me, and you're still trying to tell me how your cool toy is actually magic tho.
You're "not all men"ing me about my problem with people who "not all men" about their fucking favorite toy. Not even the first in this thread to do it.
That's like three layers of the oblivious piece of shit version of, like, reverse FLN recursion; a kind of active anti-consciousness.
You claim this is about how the technology is defended, and we both gave you pretty good arguments, i didn't see any from you yet except neboluos accusations and a pretty uncalled for "not all men" quip. I was hoping for civil discourse here and that you can see that not everyone who uses this technology is a accelerationist crypto tech bro, and i only see one person here behaving like the thing you want to criticize - not open to arguments, passive-aggressive, resorting to ad hominem.
Maybe don't talk to people who don't know what the fuck they are talking about if they trigger you so much, but for sure don't use the same measure if you are talking with people who know what the fuck they are talking about, that doesn't suit you.
Read the thread again. Take a good look in the mirror. Your behavior here is out of line, and you know it.
I'm not I just want you to actually explain your position instead of hand waiving away large swaths of people as idiots, but if you're just going to grandstand I don't really see a point and we should just stop here.
I don't owe you shit though.
If you're actually curious, and don't just want to harass me about it, there are ways you could find out without bugging me, which i said in pretty strong terms i dont love to discuss. Simple, easy ways. Really really strong terms.
But this isn't even about the technology itself. This is about the scum who defend it. Its the 'rick and morty' of computers.
This is about you, and your recursive piece-of-shit-ness.
There's 2 people here but only one behaving like scum.