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Python needs an actual default function (lemmy.ml)
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Also, do y'all call main() in the if block or do you just put the code you want to run in the if block?

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[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

EDIT: It does work. My (GNU) libc spits out version info when executed as an executable.

How does that work? There must be something above ld.so, maybe the OS? Because looking at the ELF header, ld.so is a shared library "Type: DYN (Shared object file)"

$ readelf -hl ld.so
ELF Header:
  Magic:   7f 45 4c 46 02 01 01 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
  Class:                             ELF64
  Data:                              2's complement, little endian
  Version:                           1 (current)
  OS/ABI:                            UNIX - GNU
  ABI Version:                       0
  Type:                              DYN (Shared object file)
  Machine:                           Advanced Micro Devices X86-64
  Version:                           0x1
  Entry point address:               0x1d780
  Start of program headers:          64 (bytes into file)
  Start of section headers:          256264 (bytes into file)
  Flags:                             0x0
  Size of this header:               64 (bytes)
  Size of program headers:           56 (bytes)
  Number of program headers:         11
  Size of section headers:           64 (bytes)
  Number of section headers:         23
  Section header string table index: 22

Program Headers:
  Type           Offset             VirtAddr           PhysAddr
                 FileSiz            MemSiz              Flags  Align
  LOAD           0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000
                 0x0000000000000db8 0x0000000000000db8  R      0x1000
  LOAD           0x0000000000001000 0x0000000000001000 0x0000000000001000
                 0x0000000000029435 0x0000000000029435  R E    0x1000
  LOAD           0x000000000002b000 0x000000000002b000 0x000000000002b000
                 0x000000000000a8c0 0x000000000000a8c0  R      0x1000
  LOAD           0x00000000000362e0 0x00000000000362e0 0x00000000000362e0
                 0x0000000000002e24 0x0000000000003000  RW     0x1000
  DYNAMIC        0x0000000000037e80 0x0000000000037e80 0x0000000000037e80
                 0x0000000000000180 0x0000000000000180  RW     0x8
  NOTE           0x00000000000002a8 0x00000000000002a8 0x00000000000002a8
                 0x0000000000000040 0x0000000000000040  R      0x8
  NOTE           0x00000000000002e8 0x00000000000002e8 0x00000000000002e8
                 0x0000000000000024 0x0000000000000024  R      0x4
  GNU_PROPERTY   0x00000000000002a8 0x00000000000002a8 0x00000000000002a8
                 0x0000000000000040 0x0000000000000040  R      0x8
  GNU_EH_FRAME   0x0000000000031718 0x0000000000031718 0x0000000000031718
                 0x00000000000009b4 0x00000000000009b4  R      0x4
  GNU_STACK      0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000
                 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000  RW     0x10
  GNU_RELRO      0x00000000000362e0 0x00000000000362e0 0x00000000000362e0
                 0x0000000000001d20 0x0000000000001d20  R      0x1

The program headers don't have interpreter information either. Compare that to ls "Type: EXEC (Executable file)".

$ readelf -hl ls
ELF Header:
  Magic:   7f 45 4c 46 02 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
  Class:                             ELF64
  Data:                              2's complement, little endian
  Version:                           1 (current)
  OS/ABI:                            UNIX - System V
  ABI Version:                       0
  Type:                              EXEC (Executable file)
  Machine:                           Advanced Micro Devices X86-64
  Version:                           0x1
  Entry point address:               0x40b6e0
  Start of program headers:          64 (bytes into file)
  Start of section headers:          1473672 (bytes into file)
  Flags:                             0x0
  Size of this header:               64 (bytes)
  Size of program headers:           56 (bytes)
  Number of program headers:         14
  Size of section headers:           64 (bytes)
  Number of section headers:         32
  Section header string table index: 31

Program Headers:
  Type           Offset             VirtAddr           PhysAddr
                 FileSiz            MemSiz              Flags  Align
  PHDR           0x0000000000000040 0x0000000000400040 0x0000000000400040
                 0x0000000000000310 0x0000000000000310  R      0x8
  INTERP         0x00000000000003b4 0x00000000004003b4 0x00000000004003b4
                 0x0000000000000053 0x0000000000000053  R      0x1
  LOAD           0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000400000 0x0000000000400000
                 0x0000000000007570 0x0000000000007570  R      0x1000
  LOAD           0x0000000000008000 0x0000000000408000 0x0000000000408000
                 0x00000000000decb1 0x00000000000decb1  R E    0x1000
  LOAD           0x00000000000e7000 0x00000000004e7000 0x00000000004e7000
                 0x00000000000553a0 0x00000000000553a0  R      0x1000
  LOAD           0x000000000013c9c8 0x000000000053d9c8 0x000000000053d9c8
                 0x000000000000d01c 0x0000000000024748  RW     0x1000
  DYNAMIC        0x0000000000148080 0x0000000000549080 0x0000000000549080
                 0x0000000000000250 0x0000000000000250  RW     0x8
  NOTE           0x0000000000000350 0x0000000000400350 0x0000000000400350
                 0x0000000000000040 0x0000000000000040  R      0x8
  NOTE           0x0000000000000390 0x0000000000400390 0x0000000000400390
                 0x0000000000000024 0x0000000000000024  R      0x4
  NOTE           0x000000000013c380 0x000000000053c380 0x000000000053c380
                 0x0000000000000020 0x0000000000000020  R      0x4
  GNU_PROPERTY   0x0000000000000350 0x0000000000400350 0x0000000000400350
                 0x0000000000000040 0x0000000000000040  R      0x8
  GNU_EH_FRAME   0x0000000000126318 0x0000000000526318 0x0000000000526318
                 0x0000000000002eb4 0x0000000000002eb4  R      0x4
  GNU_STACK      0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000
                 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000  RW     0x10
  GNU_RELRO      0x000000000013c9c8 0x000000000053d9c8 0x000000000053d9c8
                 0x000000000000c638 0x000000000000c638  R      0x1

It feels like somewhere in the flow there is the same thing that's happening in python just more hidden. Python seems to expose it because a file can be a library and an executable at the same time.

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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

~~Your ld.so contains:~~

~~Entry point address: 0x1d780~~

EDIT: ...with which I meant, modulo brainfart: My libc.so.6 contains a proper entry address, while other libraries are pointing at 0x0 and coredump when executed. libc.so is a linker script, presumably because GNU compulsively overcomplicates everything.

...I guess that's enough for the kernel. It might be a linux-only thing, maybe even unintended and well linux doesn't break userspace.

Speaking of, I was playing it a bit fast and loose: _start is merely the default symbol name for the entry label, I'm sure nasm and/or ld have ways to set it to something different.

[–] JATtho@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Btw, ld.so is a symlink to ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 at least on my system. It is an statically linked executable. The ld.so is, in simpler words, an interpreter for the ELF format and you can run it:

ld.so --help

Entry point address: 0x1d780

Which seems to be contained in the only executable ~~section~~ segment of ld.so

LOAD 0x0000000000001000 0x0000000000001000 0x0000000000001000
     0x0000000000028bb5 0x0000000000028bb5  R E    0x1000

Edit: My understanding of this quite shallow; the above is a segment that in this case contains the entirety of the .text section.