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[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 43 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And if you're in Europe or the US, ask them why they're so keen on the genocide their government conveniently doesn't have anything to do with, rather than what Israel is doing.

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (7 children)

im not from either of those places and like, don't you see how clearly this is whataboutism.

normally i dont really like the 'logical fallacy' point in political diacussions or whatever, but damn. all governments around the world are awful and will fuck the working class as soon as it gives a powerful individual more power.

if the UN has clearly stated that in many interviews people have said they were forcibly drugged, woman assulted and people interred without access to communications with their family...

idk, ig i am wasting my time, obviously the most scrutinised multi-national institution is bias. china definately doesnt have greater representation than most other countries.

[–] Antiwork@hexbear.net 43 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No not all the governments were built off colonization and chattel slavery. No other country has genocided numerous nations in the past 80 years or given weapons for others to do the same.

Did the UN ever figure out who blew up that pipeline?

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

i agree not all, but the Han people have been using these techniques for thousands of years, very similar to Europeans. no culture or people have clean hands, that is just the human experience.

also not sure which pipeline, please let me know! more things to explore :)

[–] Sinisterium@hexbear.net 39 points 2 months ago

Han people assimilating nanyue in 200 BC isnt comparable to euro’s oppression and enslaved of most of the globe.

[–] Antiwork@hexbear.net 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes my mother yelled at me once when I forgot to wash the dishes and Isntreal has been genociding Palestinians for more than 18 months. Not every one has clean hands.

Nordic pipeline.

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

idk what the first paragraph is trying to say sorry.

but yes dang i havent thought abt this attack since it was in the news, gonna be fun to dig through!

[–] Antiwork@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago

It's saying this

Han people assimilating nanyue in 200 BC isnt comparable to euro’s oppression and enslaved of most of the globe.

You don't have to look to much into it. The US blew it up.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Noo, everyone does genocide, I swear! The Hans! It's just human nature bro!

What if I told you it's actually not normal and you are currently reckoning with the cognitive dissonance of being confronted with the fact that you're on Team Genocide?

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i agree not all, but the Han people have been using these techniques for thousands of years

No they haven't and China is an actual multiethnic country, not an ethnic supremacist country premised on settler colonial genocide like yours.

You wish Han were like white people because it means white supremacy has less guilt. This is itself a white supremacist way of thinking and you're told to believe in it to remain consenting to anti-China actions that are tajen by your vassal state.

no culture or people have clean hands, that is just the human experience.

Whataboutism, eh? Only yours is actually meant to ahistorically flatten the crimes of Eurocentric capitalism and falsely equate it to unspecified "Han" crimes. But I bet you couldn't even give a definition of "Han" without looking it up.

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It'd be whataboutism if I was saying the existence of one makes the other ok. It doesn't.

The point I'm trying to make is that wherever you live, the polices you have any strategic chance of influencing will be your own government's polices. For those living in a country that's massively arming Israel, choosing to focus on what's happening to Uyghurs is just... easy. It's a government on the other side of the ocean/continent, that you have little to no influnce over. A grand moral position, but one that doesn't actually ask anything of you.

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

no member of the working class has power over any political authority and yet i can still have an opinion.

thinking israel is a colonist state also doesnt ask anything of me.

in fact, the chinese situation is much closer to home for me considering china is on my side of the world and an extremely potent political issue in my country. but ig you keep assuming...

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago

no member of the working class has power over any political authority and yet i can still have an opinion.

-you in 2002 trying very leftistly to convince me that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction

You're entitled to an opinion, but this opinion is wrong and based in no investigation.

[–] Bay_of_Piggies@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

Yes it does, because you can do something about it.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

no member of the working class has power over any political authority and yet i can still have an opinion.

Literally every working class organization is a political authority over which they are exercising power. And these organizations are frequently used to effect change, which is why capitalist states constantly try to stifle them.

thinking israel is a colonist state also doesnt ask anything of me.

Your state funds and runs interference for genocide. It uses fake genocide propaganda against China, in part, to take the heat off of itself. You are gladly supporting their effort using faux left language that is really just liberal thinking.

in fact, the chinese situation is much closer to home for me considering china is on my side of the world and an extremely potent political issue in my country. but ig you keep assuming...

China is not a political issue. It is a country of over a billion people. Your country is just an Anglo settler colonist vassal of the chief imperialists and those imperialists demand that you pick fights with their designated rival.

Are you just going to do what they tell you?

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago

whataboutism

is the preferred incantation of hypocrites.

[–] SovietyWoomy@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago

If an openly genocidal regime points at someone else and says they're doing a genocide, that claim should be ignored because it is coming from the least reliable source possible.

If the openly genocidal remime starts praising someone else, that's extremely worrying and whoever is being praised is most likely being praised for doing something evil.

The people pushing the "China is doing a genocide" narrative are the same people rapidly defending Ukrainian nazis and the zionist's so called "right to defend themselves"

[–] WizardOfLoneliness@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

don't you see how clearly this is whataboutism

Whataboutism isn't real you fucking nerd

It's literally a concept that exists to do what you're doing now

The first use of the term was during the troubles in Ireland when the Irish accused the British of the brutal repression they were doing and the British just called it "whataboutery" so they could turn off their brains and keep doing the same shit

Every single fucking time i see some fucking liberal say whataboutism, IT'S THE EXACT SAME SHIT

Whataboutism? What about deez nuts?

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

im not from either of those places and like, don't you see how clearly this is whataboutism.

Whataboutism is a liberal thought-terminating cliché whose purpose is to shut down valid points about inconsistent rhetoric and thoughts. Liberals depend on inconsistency to maintain their worldview, for them and theirs to be the good guys doing correct actions even though they constantly do the exact opposite and for their designated enemies to be evil incarnate deserving of every violence the liberals' governments attempt to unleash.

Instead of validating this absurd way of thinking, criticize it.

normally i dont really like the 'logical fallacy' point in political diacussions or whatever, but damn. all governments around the world are awful and will fuck the working class as soon as it gives a powerful individual more power.

Is "Israel" genociding Gaza the same as Vietnam having traffic cops? This flattening rhetoric is not insightful, it is actually incorrect and you're using it to defend actual imperialist lies. It's also basically ancap bullshit at its core, zero social analysis, just a vague "government bad" statement. What tools do you think the working class will use for its liberation? You think it's just going to abolish government and survive?

if the UN has clearly stated that in many interviews people have said they were forcibly drugged, woman assulted and people interred without access to communications with their family...

"The UN" has said none of this. Read your sources more carefully.

idk, ig i am wasting my time, obviously the most scrutinised multi-national institution is bias. china definately doesnt have greater representation than most other countries.

I think you're trying to make some sarcastic point but it doesn't make any sense. What are you trying to say?

Whataboutism? What about deez nuts?