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Seriously, save this kind of stuff. Some day, not today but in 4-8 years he may try and pretend he's an actual communist without the reactionary views and we'll need to debunk him to people who genuinely don't know any better, develop a parasocial relationship, and things like this will go a long ways.
I'm not sure what you mean. Hinkle and Haz Al-din already formed a political party last year called American Communist Party ACP. This was after they tried to takeover CPUSA, but got kicked out. They're already pretending to be "actual communists". They even quote Marxist literature but they misinterpret it to support right wing beliefs. I'm not sure what their actual membership number are but they post photos on twitter.
screaming slurs at a meeting is literally the farthest thing from trying to take over a party. they couldn't even take over a book club
I don't know the exact details of what happened. I'm saying what Haz Al-din claimed his intentions were. He says that he told his followers to join CPUSA to "change the party line" (ie takeover) and then the party began to ban people who associated with him.
https://xcancel.com/InfraHaz/status/1799983883410100516
yeah and I'm telling you the exact details of what happened. screaming slurs in a meeting isn't how you take over the old party.
didnt they actually manage to take over PCUSA (and now it's dead, havent heard or seen anything from them even online in what seems like forever)
no. the hazite shitstains and their larouchite buddies did the PCUSA a favor by purging themselves. (which is also what happened as we saw in CPUSA too lmao) The party's membership primarily consist of labor organizers, trade unionists, teachers, and workers now. Problem is that those kinds of people tend to be terminally offline kinds of people (because actually being a worker and trying to be a communist organizer actually takes up a lot of your time) and really suck at advertising the fact they still exist.
Funny enough this is something I notice from all parties, the time and presence of a party existing online tends to correlate to the inverse in meatspace.
fair enough, never read enough about pcusa and only saw drama about the infrared cult invading them. why did they decide to give up on pcusa and start their own party? was there an inciting incident or they just never got any real traction and decided to give up?
so from the cult's public statement they say the former members broke from the pcusa because they accused it of being a zionist party and published "proof" from one of the party's classes that was studying why Israel was founded - why the Soviets and Stalin supported them, what were american Jewish CPUSA organizers opinions, the history of the settler country's founding ,etc. focusing primarily on a historically materialist examination instead of a modern examination - And thats sort of it. Its like a 2 hour long video they provide no citations for as proof of their accusation with the most sussy comments in said video were made by the cultists that broke away.
Another point of "proof" if I remember was from a former member and somewhat recently unmasked avowed nazbol (and good friend to several neo-nazis) Alex Dillard leaking to his dipshit writer friend Rainer Shea a motioned proposal (meaning it's something to discuss at a meeting before voting on it to either pass up the chain for further deliberation or making it policy) that basically followed old Soviet policy and the recent Beijing declaration policy of getting the party to openly follow the international Marxist-Leninist line for a two-state solution. Lets not get into that here because that's a whole different can of worms - far as i've sort of meandered around like a hog in a truffle forests I haven't seen anything like that on the pcusa website beyond supporting the beijing declaration. Thing is, that dillard was smearing one of the pcusa's anti-zionist Jewish leaders to try and fabricate evidence of the party being zionist while secretly working to help found that anti-Semitic party he's a part of now. Think it's easy to do some head math to figure out what his actual intentions are.
as far as why they couldn't "take over", from what I can tell it was a case of the core party leadership never truly trusting any of the magacoms or larouchites but wanting to make use of them so-as-long as they were in the party and obeyed the party line. From what some of my grape vines told me, they were immediately clued in on their actual goals when their then international secretary, Helali, wanted to use his international connections to hook up the party with some special funding from outside of the country to help them purchase or rent buildings to help set up printing-and-distribution hubs. Supposedly the caveat was that some of the money was supposed to be used to buy some kind of fucking russian statue to justify it as an "art purchase" or some laundering shit, but the core leadership refused and a few months down the line learned the African People's Socialist Party / Uhuru Movement were taken down for making an eerily similar deal to the one that was made to them. After that, I imagine those dangerous internal party elements were held at a comfortable arms length and at the PCUSA's recent party congress where new leadership were elected, they didn't get any positions of power then went with what was most likely their plan B and fabricated the ACP into reality with all of the rejects from both CPUSA and PCUSA after both parties had their congresses.
I mean if they try and distance themselves from this or play down the reactionary aspects or simply shelve them and get a bunch of fans who don't know that about them in the future.
For example, I really wish I had saved that evidence posted on CTH of Pewdiepie and all the Nazis and open white supremacists HE followed on Twitter that someone gathered back in the day in a big dump along with all his Nazi shit because even today on lemmy there are people who don't understand or doubt that he's a white supremacist.
Couldn't you link them to the Hbomb video? It's too long I guess
Me: scrolling through wondering which video it is.
Oh its probably the one called "Pewdiepie is a nazi."
Perhaps but longer videos are likely to get a "I'm not watching all that shit" response which is understandable.
On their website they claim to be the legitimate successor of CPUSA and claiming any other party is illegitimate.
They supposedly exist in my city but I've not encountered them whatsoever, and I know a lot of small groups, parties, and orgs in the area
A few quality clips and compilations (whether lists or videos) go a long way in the education struggle. I never really paid attention to griftertube, and someone tried to recc Vaush to me. I asked somewhere else who the heck is that, and they linked me a highlight video that told me all I needed to know in little more than a minute.