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Heroes for what reason?
Tesla is the Prius of electric cars. It made them popular enough that EVs went mainstream.
People hate Elon for good reasons, but with these two in charge, Tesla would have gone bankrupt like most other car companies.
They shouldn’t be written out of history, but just be treated as idealistic founders that left when it was their time.
I agree. Elon is what made the car known. These two struggled with getting a prototype done. They never had plans to mass build the cars. They didn’t even start off making cars. The prototype was to show their drive train. For all his flaws, Elon vision is what pushed Tesla forward. Otherwise, if these guys were the ones to do it. You think they’d have done it again but their other companies didn’t blow up. They’ve struggled. Good engineers are not always good at everything. They were good engineers. Strategy, marketing, etc that want their thing and nobody markets like Elon
Ummm they had plans, the whole start with the top end and slowly go down.
https://youtu.be/JW95LCkxlb4?si=QLwvcDoi9CuP-wrX
They had the Roadster, that was the plan and they did it. Why you're focusing on a prototype drivetrain is frankly weird.
The Roadster started after Elon was involved.
THey were about to go bankrupt until Elon showed up with cash.
They would have never become the Tesla we know today with the founders. It's that simple.
Most things started after money came in. But that was always the plan.
So Elon brought money. Say that. Calling him a founder brings an idea that he brought the ideas, which he didn't. He should be called a venture capitalist.
Can you point to where I called him a founder? I get Elon bad, but had he not shown up, there would be no Tesla.
He brought in billions of dollars to invest. Not all of it was his, of course, he talked his friends into investing as well.
I am a big fan of the Tesla car, I am not a fan of Elon but I respect he drove the electric car forward. While he has constantly over promised and under delivered, the car is a good car.
eta: I also think Tesla has outgrown Elon at this point. I think he does more harm than good for the company now.
This entire thread is about how he and others calls him a founder.
I never called him a founder. Bum fighting over who’s the founder is a silly argument. Had the original founders stayed in charge. There would be no Tesla today.
Elon is the reason Tesla is a household name. Otherwise they would have been another failed startup. It’s why their other EV ventures never took off. They are great engineers but there is more to a product than engineering.
Bullshit.
It would have happened anyways.
Maybe give them credit for it happening 1-3 years earlier, but it was still going to happen.
What was the last thing you contributed to society?
...isn't Prius the Prius of electric cars?
Who gives a shit? The planet is still going to die and society is still going to collapse. Electric cars aren't saving anyone from anything
That’s not true, they’re saving shareholders from losing profits.