Hopefully people can stop with the "I bet Bethesda will take down skyblivion!1!!" comments now. It's very clear there's good will between modders and the devs.

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[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 18 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Anyone play Fallout London? I couldn't rollback the pointless update that cockblocked the mod. This time, they just make an attempt to squeeze out money before skyblivion offers the option.

Unless Bethesda actually fully embraces and supports the modding community, I'll never buy another one of their games.

[–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

their eula for oblivion remastered forbids modding

[–] sauce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Source? Iirc it just said that modding wasn't supported, not forbidden

[–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

https://store.steampowered.com/eula/2623190_eula_0

Section 3D

LIMITATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS. Certain features of the Game are a Service offered by ZeniMax and may only be downloaded online. In such cases, an Internet connection (which is not supplied by ZeniMax) is required to access these features. You are responsible for all costs and expenses associated with acquiring any hardware, software (e.g., Internet browsers), or other products or services required to play the Game. In addition to the restrictions, conditions, and limitations set forth in the ZeniMax Terms of Service and the ZeniMax Code of Conduct, the license granted to you in this EULA is subject to the conditions, restrictions, and limitations set forth in Section 1 and this Section 3 of this EULA (collectively, the “License Limitations”). Any use of the Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of ZeniMax’s copyrights in and to the Game and will be a breach of this Agreement. You agree that you will not and will not assist any other person, under any circumstances, to:
D. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or their experience of playing the Game

[–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Does it really? That's batshit.

[–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

https://store.steampowered.com/eula/2623190_eula_0

Section 3D

LIMITATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS. Certain features of the Game are a Service offered by ZeniMax and may only be downloaded online. In such cases, an Internet connection (which is not supplied by ZeniMax) is required to access these features. You are responsible for all costs and expenses associated with acquiring any hardware, software (e.g., Internet browsers), or other products or services required to play the Game. In addition to the restrictions, conditions, and limitations set forth in the ZeniMax Terms of Service and the ZeniMax Code of Conduct, the license granted to you in this EULA is subject to the conditions, restrictions, and limitations set forth in Section 1 and this Section 3 of this EULA (collectively, the “License Limitations”). Any use of the Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of ZeniMax’s copyrights in and to the Game and will be a breach of this Agreement. You agree that you will not and will not assist any other person, under any circumstances, to:
D. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or their experience of playing the Game

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And yet...

[–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

and yet...

https://store.steampowered.com/eula/2623190_eula_0

Section 3D

LIMITATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS. Certain features of the Game are a Service offered by ZeniMax and may only be downloaded online. In such cases, an Internet connection (which is not supplied by ZeniMax) is required to access these features. You are responsible for all costs and expenses associated with acquiring any hardware, software (e.g., Internet browsers), or other products or services required to play the Game. In addition to the restrictions, conditions, and limitations set forth in the ZeniMax Terms of Service and the ZeniMax Code of Conduct, the license granted to you in this EULA is subject to the conditions, restrictions, and limitations set forth in Section 1 and this Section 3 of this EULA (collectively, the “License Limitations”). Any use of the Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of ZeniMax’s copyrights in and to the Game and will be a breach of this Agreement. You agree that you will not and will not assist any other person, under any circumstances, to:
D. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or their experience of playing the Game

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or their experience of playing the Game

Wouldn't want to adversely impact other people while playing your single player game. They can say what they want, people will mod it regardless.

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That means literally nothing to modders, and about 99% of gamers, at all.

I'm even surprised people had enough energy/time/whatever to even scour the EULA at the very beginning.

[–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some of us care about who we give our money to

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I understand that, and I care who I give my money to as well.

But almost every game nowadays has that clause, and almost every game regardless of single player or not, has mods for it.

This is also a Bethesda game. People are going to mod it out the ass regardless of what a few words in a text box say. The fact you think it means anything like we'll never get official mod support is pretty cooked tbh.

[–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago

Yes we should give Microsoft and Bethesda the benefit of the doubt. They've never done anything shady like try to sell mods before.

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Damn, I didn't realize that you not being able to undo an update that they most likely had planned for at least a year or two to coincide with the release of the Fallout show led to you boycotting all things Bethesda.

I didn't know Todd personally fucked with your rig to force you to live with the next-gen update and not be able to play a mod. I guess he's just going around to everyone's place and making sure they have all their Bethesda games fully up to date so they're mods keep getting fucked with.

[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 day ago

Save your dialogue for NPCs, maybe they care

[–] Yermaw@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm pretty out of the loop on that sort of thing, but the games come with inbuilt game editors to make your own mods really easily right?

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 days ago

The point is that they shipped an update that was mostly pointless, or even completely pointless on PC, that basically blocked the release of a huge scale very anticipated mod days before the release date.

The argument is that they like profiting off their mod creators, but they try to squeeze the community for more money every time they can, like with the paid mods nonsense, and also don't give a shit about them.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

Ok. Thanks for taking this stand, your service is appreciated.