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[–] BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world 100 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Wouldn't this be a good thing for the fresh water supply in the US if the US stopped exporting alfalfa.

Sure, I didn't read this article, so I'm just going off all the previous years of articles about how much fresh water this is using. And I've never researched the downstream effects of cattle in the middle east becoming more expensive.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 95 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Answer:

  • The water-intensive farming is absolutely fucking the ecology of the American southwest in a way that's effectively irreversible on human timescales.
  • The money being generated by this farming is going to a select few completely undeserving, morally bankrupt people who know the damage they're doing and are hoarding swathes of land and water rights they were given for effectively nothing generations ago.
  • This alfalfa is then shipped internationally to Saudi Arabia literally halfway across the world, generating greenhouse gas emissions and other forms of pollution.
  • This alfalfa is then used to grow cattle, meaning that value is being extracted from the US – at a meager cost compared to the externalities we bear – and given to the theocratic shithole whose entire economy is based on destroying the planet that is Saudi Arabia.
  • Edit: the cows produce a bunch of methane over their lifetime.
  • The cows are then brutally murdered for food despite extensive evidence that cows can feel pain and do feel emotions like fear.
  • This cow meat is then fed to people despite the fact that 1) red meat is a class 2a carcinogen (and frankly in light of evidence that vegetarian and vegan diets reduce risks of certain cancers by double-digit percentages, we're all just waiting until it's confirmed rather than heavily suspected as a carcinogen), 2) it substantially increases the risk of heart disease, and 3) it elevates the risk for diabetes when compared to plant-based foods which are cheaper and less resource-intensive to create.

It's a benefit to essentially everyone if alfalfa farming becomes less profitable. The entire chain from water to cow meat is unjust, cruel, and otherwise fucking terrible.

[–] deeferg@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Just wanted to say I've had you marked with notes before as someone really good with your research, but each time I see your longer answers I make sure to take the time to read it. Really appreciate the knowledge transfer on a lot of your posts, please don't stop!

[–] BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago

Good answer. (Not sarcasm)

[–] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone -4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It would would have been cool if you'd left out the vegan propaganda

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

So, caring about the environment = cool

But caring about animals, which are inextricably a part of the environment (a link which can be demonstrated by the pollution produced by industrial farming) = not cool?

Seems an odd place to draw the line, but ok.

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Half the circle of life is animals dying bud

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

It's all about balance. Factory farms are not balanced. Eating meat isn't evil (in my opinion) but factory farming absolutely is.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

RFK jr has plans to fix the fresh water supply situation.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

RFK jr has plans to ~~fix~~ monetize the fresh water supply situation.

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 days ago

I'm sure his fix is either "a bit of saltwater is okay" or "we need electrolytes, it's what plants crave" with a smattering of "water? Like from the toilet?"