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What's your definition of tankie? (lemm.ee)
submitted 4 days ago by Irelephant@lemm.ee to c/tankiejerk@lemmy.world
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This is something I always get in arguments about, whenever I use the word tankie hexbear and grad users argue that its just a term for socialists.

I've always just used it to referr to authoritarian communists, i.e, people who unironically support modern russia, and/or oppose ukraine, and think nothing happened to the uyghurs.

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[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 5 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Thats dangerously close to the "no true scotsman" fallacy.

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It isn't close to, it is the no true Scotsman fallacy.

Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal') is a sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement, whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered on common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products to everyone in society based on need. A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes, and ultimately money and the state (or nation state).

Communists often seek a voluntary state of self-governance but disagree on the means to this end. This reflects a distinction between a libertarian socialist approach of communization, revolutionary spontaneity, and workers' self-management, and an authoritarian socialist, vanguardist, or party-driven approach under a socialist state, which is eventually expected to wither away.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

"No true Scotsman" is about redefining a term to suit the argument, not that purity tests or gatekeeping are inherently illegitimate.

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

their end goal is state capitalism though, so I don't see the contradiction

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 days ago

Yeah. If they call the current state of China with literal billionaires, communist, then they aren’t communist in any economically defined sense of the world

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee -1 points 4 days ago

It's only a fallacy when used wrong