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Elon Musk blamed trans people for recent Tesla attacks after his daughter, Vivian Jenna Wilson, called him a "pathetic man-child."

Musk shared false data on trans violence and claimed hormone therapy causes volatility. He linked trans identity to attacks on Tesla cars and dealerships, citing unverified reports of trans suspects.

Musk’s comments followed Wilson’s interview where she condemned his far-right shift and disavowed responsibility for his views.

Critics accused Musk of scapegoating trans people amid Tesla's financial decline and political controversies.

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[–] theshoeshiner@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Terrorism is the act of using violence or intimidation for political gain/control.

That's exactly what their motivation is.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

a lot of people kill people for political reasons, doesn't make that terrorism. There's a specific branch of intentionally inciting terror with the use of violence FOR political means, that's actually defined as terrorism.

Burning teslas at dealerships probably doesn't count. Extorting people and threatening to kill them, might count.

[–] theshoeshiner@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The violence wasn't simply for political reasons, as you suggest. It is to accomplish political goals by causing fear and terror in people associated with that brand. That seems like terrorism to me.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

what's the political goal? Making tesla less popular? That doesn't sound very political to me.

[–] theshoeshiner@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If I have to explain that to you then we've got bigger problems than I thought.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

wdym? The only reason people would do that is because they're unhappy with tesla, and how it's operating as a company. Given that musk is a figurehead in company, he's the only reason it's political.

Musk is just a shitty person, people don't like that, and are retaliating as they see fit.

[–] theshoeshiner@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

sigh

Musk is a government employee and spends much of his time with the most powerful political figure in this hemisphere.

Attacking him and his property is an inherently political act.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

and tesla is a private company that he owns? Elon in the government, and elon that runs tesla are two unrelated things.

Sure people are motivated against elon due to his political advancements, specifically those made INTO government.

But tesla is STILL a private company, that isn't even under the ownership of musk, it's a board of directors. At best this is property destruction and arson.

Otherwise you're arguing very quickly that ANY private entity is immediately therefore a protected subspecies of the US federal government, and any action taken against it, is by definition, terrorism.

[–] theshoeshiner@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Elon in the government, and elon that runs tesla are two unrelated things.

Elon has been publicly shitty for years. The widespread arson didn't start until he was in the government. You're disproving your own position. It's clear that his role in the government was a trigger.

And sweet jesus dude... tesla is not a private company. It's public. How are you not aware of that. Elon just happens to own 90 billion dollars worth of it. His stake is essentially private property. Maybe that's what you were hinting at, but the distinction is important for other reasons.

Terrorism is simply violence to achieve political aims. It doesn't matter whether the entities are public or private. If someone bombed a house full of a politicians family members to make a political point, that would obviously be terrorism, regardless of the fact that only private property and non government employees were harmed, because the goal of the act was clearly political.

Elon has been publicly shitty for years. The widespread arson didn’t start until he was in the government. You’re disproving your own position. It’s clear that his role in the government was a trigger.

it's also been a fairly slow burn up until he started donating money to trump, and then inevitably, became a part of the government.

People have high thresholds for when things are deemed "problematic" and right now, it seems like elon musk is definitionally, an oligarch.

and again, i said it previously, just because something is motivated by political reasons, doesn't mean it's being done for political reasons. The whole point of terrorism, is doing terror, explicitly for the purposes of political power. Obviously burning property to the ground isn't going to be very conducive of this.

And sweet jesus dude… tesla is not a private company. It’s public. How are you not aware of that. Elon just happens to own 90 billion dollars worth of it. His stake is essentially private property. Maybe that’s what you were hinting at, but the distinction is important for other reasons.

oh sorry, you're right, it is a public company. My mistake. Surely that makes it more of a government entity right? Surely public companies are strictly protected against terrorism than private companies are. Surely, that must be the case.

Terrorism is simply violence to achieve political aims. It doesn’t matter whether the entities are public or private. If someone bombed a house full of a politicians family members to make a political point, that would obviously be terrorism, regardless of the fact that only private property and non government employees were harmed, because the goal of the act was clearly political.

yeah, this is a clear cut case of terrorism. But if you're going to start defining something like politically motivated arson as terrorism, you're only a few steps away from defining something like a mass public protest as "verbal terrorism" which, must be just as effective as real physical terrorism.