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The speech of someone they never had to worry about healthcare being denied because of “pre-existing conditions” or losing access because you turned 18.
I swear you guys all go to some sort of special school where they teach misunderstanding what the other person is saying as an art form
Agreed. My mother can't understand and honestly engage with an argument to save her life. It's irritating as fuck.
Ah yes, the extremely specific context of…turning 18? I’m happy that you’ve never needed to develop reading comprehension dear, maybe spend more time paying attention to your high school teachers.
I’m not defending a ‘shiti’ healthcare regime. I’m mocking you for being so mentally dense. I can hate our healthcare system and your abysmal trolling at the same time. Plus I don’t have to go around putting words in others mouths.
Is your impression that insurance companies weren't killing people for profit before the ACA came along?
It was much worse. Michael Moore did a darkly comic piece about a man who was guaranteed to die without treatment, whose insurance company was denying him treatment, and they showed up at the insurance company's corporate office with him in tow and performed a funeral for him there. They eventually approved his coverage. But they had to work for years and years before they were able to recover the killing-people-on-purpose abilities that they had before the ACA became law, and they're still missing some of them. They used to straight-up kick you off your health insurance if you got sick in a way that was going to be expensive for them to treat, for example. Now at least they have to be more subtle about it.
You literally sent a link which shows the exact opposite in a separate comment, I posted the graph from your link.
Source?
What?
Here's the relevant graph from the link you just posted:
Are you claiming that the difference between how the US life expectancy is rising compared to every other country's life expectancy is rising, which has existed absolutely unmodified since Reagan both before and after the ACA, is the ACA's fault?
Or are you saying that the decline in life expectancy which happened during Covid is the ACA's fault?
Or something else? What do you mean "declining life expectancy" here?
You said that with the ACA, the quality of health care went down. That is absolute counterfactual nonsense, as someone pointed out to you. So, you claimed as your argument that life expectancy had declined, and linked to a study which showed life expectancy increasing (just not by as much as you wanted it to). Now you're changing the subject to some variety of other things including Covid and the recovery and simply blandly going back to square 1 and re-asserting that the ACA is responsible for low life expectancy and for American health care being bad, instead of literally everything else about America and American health care.
Do I have that all correct? Anything you want to add or disagree with in that summary?
Can you clarify for me exactly how life expectancy has been declining since the ACA? You "clarified" by abandoning the claim that that's been happening. So we're agreed that that hasn't been happening, you're just unhappy that it hasn't been increasing by more, and convinced (for some reason) that the ACA is responsible, yes?
Are you familiar with Russel's Teapot?
I've been clarifying my own position plenty of other places in these comments, and multiple other commenters have listed multiple specific ways in which health care improved when the ACA was passed.
lol
That number includes affordability. If you include that metric, then yes health care is doing worse.
But that's not declining quality.