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[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It was the decades of corrupted legislation from the "Right vs Left" mentality since Watergate that got them where they are. These billionaires, specifically these two clowns, are the metastasized end result of a cancer ridden system.

[–] Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Left vs right is working people vs billionaires. It is right-wing propaganda trying to deny or obfuscate that. That is why socialism is left-wing and free-market neoliberalism is right wing.

[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There is no right wing propaganda in my statement. "Working people" includes the magats that got these clowns where they are now. Wtf is free-market neoliberalism being the right? I thought the extreme right were the magats. This is why everything is the way it is and proving my point. Nobody can agree on anything and everyone has their own idea of saving the world.

[–] Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Fascism and neoliberalism is right-wing and market based. Again, terms are purposefully obfuscated and disingenuously misused, but fascism is about privatization and deregulation (Privatisierung, in the original Nazi). While technically some working class are part of reactionary movements like MAGA, it is disproportionately either the Lumpenproletariat or not working class but what Republicans pretend is the working class (reactionary small business owners, who are working class because of some cultural marker like wearing blue jeans and liking country music or hating woke). We live in a liberal, capitalist system. So socialism is almost always, by definition, left wing and pro-capitalist and pro-billionaire politics is almost always, by definition, right-wing.

[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When I talk about right wing on here and mention magats, I'm talking about extremely to the right. They are so far right, they found a new dimensional plane of existence right. Nazi's stole a lot of concepts that existed long before they did and corrupted them, including their symbol. The idea that capitalist concepts are the equivalent to nazi beliefs is way too far off base and that really muddies the waters. I would like to avoid Godwin's law for meaningful conversation.

Billionaires should have never existed and the people that were supposed to regulate the unchecked greed failed the public. All of these representatives and the people voting for them are absolutely the source in the billionaires' rise to power. Remove them from power and the billionaires don't get a free playground for their boredom. Red vs Blue (Right vs Left) is keeping the public fighting amongst themselves. Treat the source, not the symptoms.

[–] Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, Billionaires are always going to be a byproduct of capitalism. Saying that left vs right is inconsequential and just "fighting amongst themselves" is naturalizing and justifying billionaires. The left fights against billionaires and oligarchy while the right fight for them (even if they rhetorically hate "elites" like woke baristas).

[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

You keep bringing this back to capitalism. It's greed. The answer is greed. Even in your communist paradise, greed ruins it. Even in a socialist utopia, greed will be there to remind you of the inherent evil that is ingrained in humanity. Focus on the greed and maybe you'll make more allies instead of blaming a social concept.

[–] Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

No, even if individuals will continue to have greed or bad traits, if you don't have a social system that allows accumulation of vast wealth or the use of the wealth to immediately control the labor and resources of society, you undermine the social detriment of these traits. This is why systems matter, it is what traits will be rewarded, and what is allowed to be indulged rather than resisted.

[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago

Since you have time to ponder philosophical ideals, why not come up with a new system that does what you describe and prevents, if not mitigate, tribal mentality? Bear in mind you've only been describing wealth distribution. You still have to decide if you want this system you come up with to exist under a variation of Democracy, a monarch, an oligarch, or something completely new that won't cripple your newly designed system of wealth distribution. Then you need to decide which "tribe" gets to run it without upsetting the other "tribes" . And here we are again getting the red tribe and the blue tribe to come to their senses and agree to something that doesn't screw the rest of us.