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Gavin Newsom breaks with Democrats on trans athletes in sports (www.politico.com)

submitted 2 days ago by Sunshine@lemmy.ca to c/california@lemmy.world

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/40174373

California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a pioneer for LGBTQ+ rights who decades ago upset leaders in his own party when he defied state law and issued marriage licenses to same-sex couples, suggested Democrats were in the wrong in allowing transgender athletes to participate in female college and youth sports.

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[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago

There is significant evidence that people who have undergone male puberty have an advantage

No, you linking the Wikipedia page for Olympic records isn’t evidence of that, because we aren’t talking about cis men. We’re talking about trans women who have medically transitioned. You are not prepared to have a conversation about this if you are grouping these groups together, because medically they are not the same.

I don't get why this is controversial.

Because it’s an insanely restrictive policy for no reason against an incredibly tiny minority that had already been allowed to compete at the Olympic level for over a decade before a trans athlete ever won a medal, and it was a nonbinary athlete who hadn’t transitioned and played on a team sport of their assigned gender. If this is as huge an issue as people want to pretend we would have seen the elimination of cis women in sports by now.

If HRT is responsible for lowering testosterone which removes the advantage, then how long does it take to become effective?

RTFA.

Elbers et al. expanded on this research by exploring the effects of oestrogen supplements and androgen deprivation on fat distribution and thigh muscle mass (by using magnetic resonance imaging) in 20 transgender female individuals. They found that 12 months after cross-sex hormone treatment, transgender female individuals had a more feminine pattern of adiposity and their thigh muscles had decreased.

Should a woman who started taking HRT yesterday be able to compete in women's sports

You are inventing a scenario in your head to pearl clutch about, because this doesn’t happen outside of co-ed sports or elementary school sports with kids who haven’t undergone puberty. Anyone who tells you it does is lying.

How can we verify that an individual isn't stopping HRT or abusing their medication to obtain an advantage?

Trans athletes already get blood tested for their hormone levels.

Seriously, all these “reasonable points” you think you have were addressed decades ago by sports governing bodies, and trans people had been quietly living their lives the whole time. You just didn’t notice it because Republicans were focusing on gay people then. Don’t fall for the bullshit.