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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Too bad that in the US there’s three sides, two that support genocide and a third one which supports whoever gets the most votes out of the other two.

You literally can’t avoid “supporting genocide” in a FPTP system, refusing to choose just means letting others choose for you. And you can’t tell me in good faith that both outcomes were the same.

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

By existing in America I can't avoid supporting genocide?

Then this is an evil country that cannot be saved

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It can be saved, through voting in primaries, grassroot movements, and trying to pressure whoever is in power to do the right thing.

But all of this is only possible if you keep voting for the lesser evil. By electing people like Trump, the US population is sending the message that they like those positions, and therefore the other party will keep shifting more and more to the right to try and capture those voters. And the only way a nation can be saved under those conditions is violent revolution. Are you ready for violent revolution? Because if you’re not I’d suggest you either start a plan to migrate to a better country, or get accustomed to voting “against” people, instead of “for” people.

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If supporting genocide is a prerequisite of participating in this system I'll just not participate. I'm only one person and I need to be able to live with myself at the end of the day. Maybe you have a stronger will than I do, but for me supporting genocide is a line I just can't cross.

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You’re still supporting genocide by proxy by living in the US and paying taxes, contributing to the GDP and whatnot, though. You should move and contribute to a different country if you really can’t stand to support genocide in any form.

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can't afford to move to a different country

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

So in the end that means you can, and already did, cross that line. You just don’t want to do that when it specifically comes to voting.

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 1 points 18 hours ago

If you mean when I was born in America? Yeah I guess I crossed a line when I came out of the womb but it wasn't a choice I made