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[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The fuck you on about, mate? You got a problem with allegories?

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I dunno if you're just memeing or if you genuinely don't know.

In case it's the latter…I posted a fairly famous quote from the author responsible for the text this community is based on.

[–] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago

I really didn't know, so thanks for explaining it.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Fun fact: allegory had a different meaning back when Tolkien lived. Language evolved. Tolkien never mentioned hating what allegory now means - an interpretation of a story by the audience as representative of another issue. In fact, he said he was a fan of that sort of thing in your quote.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure that I agree it has changed. To me, an allegory implies authorial intent. Some classic examples being Tolkien's friend Lewis whose Narnia novels were an allegory for Christianity, George Orwell's Animal Farm, an allegory for early Communist USSR, or The Crucible by Arthur Miller, an allegory for America's red scare.

If it isn't done with authorial intent, it's still absolutely possible to be a valid reading of the text that there are parallels, but IMO that's no longer an allegory.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 5 points 2 days ago

The Matrix is a trans allegory, despite the fact that neither of the Wachowskis knew they were trans at that time. They put their feelings of gender confusion, dysphoria, and euphoria into the movie, despite not understanding those feelings. And it made it a masterpiece. That's proof allegory doesn't require intent.