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Because I'm going to make goddamn sure you understand what you're doing so the next time you think we should talk nice to the people defending a group that designed and implemented genocide of more than one people group as a fucking core ideology you'll pause and maybe reflect on if this is the best time to be super cordial with some guy about to launch into 'I'm just saying maybe the numbers are exaggerated.'
My grandmother wasn't thrown in a camp by fucking elite waffen SS guards it was random fucking Wehrmacht child rapists who were taught that Deutschland über alles.
Sigh can you calm down there for a second? I realize that they were parroting clean Wehrmacht propaganda that is, in fact, completely false. However, nothing in their reply made it seem like they have any Nazi sympathies, and instead simply believed propaganda they'd come across or made a not illogical assumption that simply turned out to be false. If you consider that to be an unforgivable sin rather than a misconception that can be corrected then enjoy your ideologically pure trip to fascistland I guess. Otherwise maybe try educating them so they at least don't spread the same propaganda elsewhere where someone might actually believe it. If then they turn out to be a bad faith actors or dig their heels you can comdemn their Nazi apologia all you want.
When it comes to Nazi stuff? No, absolutely not. Fascists run the US right now, and I am rightly worried about what that means. We have actual Fascists running the country with nukes, with an army they spend more on than most of the world combined. Fascists are always stopped by picking a fight they can't win, and if these apologists and 'well were they really that bad' or whatever it is this time buy them sympathy, they buy them time to creep into each office, each group of people. Suddenly you have Jews for Hitler and they go 'see? If we were really bad, would these people defend us?'
So no I'm not going to calm down, I'm going to very specifically point out we know exactly where this goes. This is the paradox of tolerance right here; we fight it everywhere. Not just when they say the genocide things, when they do any dog whistles, any of the talking points, we shut that shit down.
This is the same fucking stuff from the Nazi's. And we didn't beat it last time with softly worded retorts and appeasement, we did it when we stood up and fought back, we figuratively gathered all the bullied groups at school against the school bullies and pummelled them so badly they couldn't hurt us again. Because Fascists pick on the smallest target, because they need the money, the distraction, an External Enemy to focus people on. And it starts here, in the pubs, in the break rooms, in the internet forums, on message boards, that they build their support base.
So call this paranoid or that it's me being emotional, I don't care, because all I have to do is point at the past and I'm proven right.
You are missing the core argument of your interlocutor. From a purely utilitaristic standpoint, educating and correcting someone who seems to be in good faith but repeating propaganda or lacking knowledge is more effective that being an asshole (which BTW completely avoids the possibility of that person considering seriously what you are saying). So if you want to "shut it down", your actions are ineffective or counterproductive.
You do you, of course, but nobody is asking to tolerate Nazis.
While I think the initial style of attack by OC was warranted given the content matter, I do agree with you. At some point there needs to be a check to see if the interlocutor has good faith or not, and if so, to offer education and try to dispel myths or lies.
K.
At first I was with you but less so with each reply.
Yeah, turns out screaming the same thing over and over maybe isn't the best approach to conversation. But I guess snarky gifs are so meh.
Same. I think the initial outburst was understandable, but at some point I think it's better to correct the record with facts and truths. Else we just shout into echo chambers as interlocutors block each other, further insulating and isolating society.
That guy isn't doing anything. You realize he's not the one that was trying to defend nazis right?
Not that I even thing the original guy necessarily was either, but whatever. He was still wrong imho.
He’s trying to be nice to a guy defending Nazis. Still bad.