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People often say they're just waiting for him to flip on Trump. Giuliani is broke, Trump disdains him, etc...
The prosecutors aren't interested in what he has to say. There are better witnesses, more reliable witnesses who have corroborated all the facts already.
The prosecutors do not need this shell of a man to flip.
Yeah, but it'll still be fun to watch all the worms turn on each other.
If he flips it'll be hilarious watching him mouth vomit all the shit trump has told him.
This. Trump is the main culprit and threat, so he's priority.
But taking down a corrupt former mayor? That's a feather in anyone's cap too.
Plus, Rudy isn't exactly a credible witness. He's told so many lies, so many different versions of events, and he has proven he's willing to say anything to save his own skin. The defense would tear him apart on the stand.
The only way he gets a deal is if he can provide hard evidence the prosecution doesn't already have.
Totally agree.
BUT ... if he has hard evidence like documents, recordings, emails, txts, those might be worth something and will be harder for the defense to tear apart.
Yet still, I want to see Rudy behind bars so there's that too.
I expect the case is entirely airtight. They indicted a former president, and you don't do that if there's a chance you lose.
Oh I agree and am hopeful that's trye. And yet I don't think it's possible to have "too much" evidence against 45. To quote a wise woman, " ...I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
100% this. He'd be a laughable witness against drumpf and all drumpf's lawyers need to do is to cast reasonable bout in his testimony, There are a few obvious ones, like substance abuse, habitual lying, leaked tapes, financial embarrasment, etc. There's also always a chance he'd make the whole process a clown show by sprouting off random ramblings and conspiracy theories on the stand. Drumpf's attorneys could also easily push all the blame to Rudy by invoking the advice of counsel defence.
Glad to see "drumpf" is still out there in the wilds
At this rate they don’t need anyone to “flip”. At the end of the day these morons got busted doing illegal shit and there is more than enough evidence that they don’t need someone else’s testimony. Flip or not then are fucked.
The guy who erased the footage already flipped...
He had a trump lawyer and said it was never erased. Then he switched to a public defender and recanted his statement that it wasn't erased.
Even if he didn't take a deal, that counts as "flipping"
All the lawyer had to do is be honest about what's going to happen in this prosecution, and how many years he would spend in federal prison in order to maintain the lie.
Was the footage actually erased? I thought that Trump’s crew asked him to erase it (but he either wasn’t able or willing to) but the actual issue was he initially lied to the Feds saying they never asked him to erase it. After getting a new attorney he’s recanted and told the feds that they did ask him to.
I never saw mention of the tapes actually being erased but maybe I just missed that detail? I assumed the Feds had the tapes.
I could be wrong. But my understanding is that the guy didn't have the ability to erase the security footage even if he wanted to. That was part of the whole discussion about "the boss" wanting the footage erased. The IT guy lied about even being asked at all when he had a Trump lawyer, then recanted that when he got his own public defender.
Yeah that was my understanding, too but I wasn’t sure if I was remembering correctly. :)
He won't flip, or else GRU will release the CP tapes.
Plus I have to imagine that lawyers such as Jack Smith and those on his team have a deep loathing for corrupt attorneys like Giuliani and would love to see him brought to justice.
Rudy is the "true believer." I dont think he'll ever turn on Trump.
I don't think so. I think he's just an opportunistic weasel. But I could be wrong
Lmao no, no one of his bootlickers believe in him. Not even Gaetz. When push comes to shove is everyone for themselves. Although, the Four Season Landscaping fiasco (still get a good laugh at that one) make me question his sanity.
Knowing how hard even with a ton of evidence it will be to convict Trump He may not even have been offered a deal. He's not a president but still a very high level political operative. He might be the biggest fish to fry.
To quote Giuliani himself, He has insurance, and knows where the bodies are buried. There are likely ~~extemporaneous~~ contemporaneous notes of items of interest