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Simple guide to socialism (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

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[–] cqst@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 14 hours ago

labor and capitalists because of exploitation for profit

Cool. Worker coops have this.

alienation

As worker coops have.

lack of control over laborer’s own work,

As worker coops have. Especially in a majoritarian "democratic" worker coop model.

That said, I find meta-narratives (by any economist or philosopher) fairly wrong headed

No prophetism here.

Worker coops involve:

A worker, going to work, and selling their labor power for a wage. Just with an extra bonus at the end of the year with the profits and maybe some involvement in voting for decisions of the firm. The production of products for exchange value rather than use-value, a commodity. That's called capitalism. The firm MUST reinvest SOME of the surplus extracted from their workers, into the operation of the firm, or else it could not continue to operate, this is exploitation, and will lead to imperialism, crisis and alienation.

Could it be a more resilient capitalism? Sure. A better Capitalism isn't socialism though.

I do think that eventually a mutualist market would probably become sort of meaningless eventually and turn into something else.

This is what social democrats think. That eventually the market system will "reform" itself to socialism. Capitalism can't be reformed, it's inherently flawed.