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Centrists only did that because in all cases, they supported the behavior that was alienating voters and didn't want it to change. Even if that meant trump again.
I wouldn't even say that, it's just there really were a lot of trolls going "whatabout?", especially here, as some people want the US to fall, and honestly Trump is the best candidate for that. Mix in a bunch of other trolls screaming "bluemaga" for the heck of it, and you couldn't have a decent conversation anymore.
I'm just saying we shouldn't fall into the trap of going into a circlejerk again, it's past the election, it would be great to have the conversations that are needed but we couldn't have before the election. There are some great people in the Dem party as well, again, Lina Khan's work was inspiring, and despite recent events, it did make a huge difference. We need more people like her.
And on the other hand, Luigi has shown that there is a broad societal base wanting this constant madness to end. People just want to live, all people, even Republicans.
The "we can't have this conversation right now" thing was a fucking excuse to continue enabling the genocide. Centrists will never admit they were horribly, monstrously wrong to support genocide.
It's all they ever were, and all they will ever be.
That is it though, where are all those "we can't have this conversation right now" people now? This is the time to have the conversation. Hello?
In case you missed it, they're blaming everyone that they told to shut up because “we can’t have this conversation right now”. Now it's too fucking late, and that was absolutely the entire idea. If Harris had won, the line would be "give her some time" until it was "too close to midterms to have this conversation."
There's never time to have any conversation. Centrists just move to the right. They do not listen to anyone to their left, ever, for any reason.
Cool. Let's start with the facts: Netanyahu is committing genocide. He was committing genocide during the Biden administration. Biden supported him and was wrong to do so. Do you accept this as true?
Fuck yes, along with suppressing dissent and legitimate protest about it in likely unlawful ways, and also applying unjust pressure on the ICC to exempt Western aligned war criminals, thus degrading the rule of law all over the globe.
Good. You're not a genocide denier. We can have a conversation.
Do you suppose that the Democratic Party is worth saving anymore? Because I'm very much doubting so after the Biden administration.
That is a very hard question.
Just based on my experience, as I'm originally from a country that was going through, is still going through its Trump phase, it doesn't matter. They will only get out of the way if they are forced to, and time and again they proved they are against third party candidates more than Republicans, and vice versa in fact, the Reps will hit you harder than the Dems if they see you usurping them. This is just as it was in my home as well. No enterprise to "force the Dems to quit" will work because the entire system will work against you.
The only way to break this that I've seen work is that people should join small local mutual aid groups, which are political in nature, but not partisan in the sense of being beholden to the big two. Like the DSA in the US I guess? And wait for the opportunity while helping others and sabotaging the worst excesses of the government.
Or do a revolution I guess, because contrary to what everyone says everywhere, some of them do in fact succeed in creating a better society. Even when they fail. Revolutions got rid of the divine right of kings, not "moderation and slow progress", and revolution got rid of dictators like Ceaucescu as well.
How do we get from "small mutual aid groups" to "fix the genocidal two party system?" If the answer is incrementalism, it is no answer. Incrementalism got us here.
Radical change on the local level. Instead of trying to turn whole states by increment, turn towns and districts radically. Subvert federal decisions locally, and if you provide a schema for others to follow.
I'm still not seeing how working for my local food bank (the nearest pin on the map when I look up mutual aid. Next closest one is like 4 hours away) is going to get anywhere towards changing the bipartisan pro-genocide hegemony.
You can help people, shield then from government overreach and change their minds by talking to them instead of just shouting into a megacorp-censored online void.
That's how the consies get people as well, churches being one of the last places you can socialise and discuss civics.
It will of course take a lot of people doing this, but that's how organising people works. The alternative is doing a Luigi, but that has dire personal consequences.