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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

but it's merely a restriction on government.

It isn't. Free speech is a right the gov can give you, but it's also just a concept.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Governments don't grant rights, they can only restrict them.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They can recognize them. But nice strawman.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

It's not a strawman, it's literally what you wrote.

The Bill of Rights in the US only exists to prevent encroachment on individual rights, they're not necessary in order for people to have them. Arguably, governments only have rights explicitly granted to them, because they only exist due to the people submitting themselves to them.

It's an important distinction, and one so many seem to misunderstand. I'm not saying you do, I'm merely clarifying in case someone else does.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

And, in reality, the only rights that remain are those that have been fought for. "Inalienable rights, granted by the Creator" is a lovely concept, but it's not self-enforcing, and as we've seen, rights can be effectively nullified by a corrupt Supreme Court and a fascist legislature and executive branch. OK, you can pretend they still exist in the abstract, but they're de facto gone if state institutions or people power don't defend them.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not a strawman, it's literally what you wrote.

You ignored the point I was making to argue about semantics. Still are. That's a strawman.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And what was that point? My point is that freedom of speech has nothing to do with private platforms.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 0 points 3 weeks ago

I stated my point very bluntly in the comment you replied to above. Freedom of speech is not "merely a restriction on government". It is a concept that exists outside of government entirely. And it has everything to do with anywhere speech is expressed, including private platforms.