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Elon Musk Ignites Online Speculation Over the Meaning of a Hand Gesture (www.nytimes.com)

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For context, it's a very clear Nazi Salute — and Musk did it more than once. The NYT is implying doubt because they're afraid of losing access if they speak the truth and because some people who are financially dependent on Musk are denying what it was in public.

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[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He won the popular vote.

We can quibble about "okay but that doesn't include those who didn't vote!" Which is a pretty dumb argument.

But I could rephrase "of the people who cared enough about politics to be relevant to this discussion, more than half the country..."

In the same way I didn't say I was only counting living people, some things seem pretty obvious.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think it's an important distinction.

[–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

same, and it's hard to not be immediately suspicious of anyone attempting to wave away that distinction as a form of normalizing this bullshit.

[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's not normalizing a damn thing to point out that the Dems and their policies are so impressively unpopular with a broad swathe of voting Americans that they looked at what we were offering, looked back at crazy trump rambling about Haitians eating pets and decided that that was preferable to another Democratic president.

Holding onto this fantasy of "oh the swathes of non voters will one day turn out for us!" is goddamn nonsense that has never come through and is just so much cheap hopium so we don't do any of the difficult soul searching to figure out how to win elections. Far easier to pretend people secretly wanted the Dems or that everyone else is a secret nazi or whatever stupidity we're onto.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

OK but how does lying about the reality help anything? And why are you sooo keen to do so?

[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What on Earth have I lied about?

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago

You said more than half the country voted for Trump, and then when corrected started throwing a moronic temper tantrum saying that it doesn't matter. Why are so against accuracy in your statements?

[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I dont.

Because voting was too much effort and its zero risk, how bad is it going to have to get before they are willing to fight?