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I know. It isn't about existence. It's about doing things through the appropriate legal channels. The entire world isn't entitled to live in the US, just like the entire population isn't entitled to drive on public roads or practice medicine.
Not only that, but there was a skyrocket of asylum seekers during this administration. They've combined to create a system in which people are used as balls in a shell game while their asylum cases are pending. This never should have happened in the first place.
The solution to millions of people breaking the law is not to get rid of the law. Reform the process? Absolutely. But the government saying "We don't care that you broke the law" for years got us to where we are now. Once our systems aren't under such severe strain any longer, then we can make clearer decisions about who to let in.
We certainly should make the facilities humane, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist. People aren't being put there to be worked to death or exterminated. It isn't fascist any more than normal prisons are.
Legalization wouldn't necessarily end their systematic abuse. It would, however, encourage illicit employers to continue seeking new immigrant employees and disregard citizens in the process. That's not good for anyone other than the people running these businesses.
That Cato Institute study you linked is from 2017. Even granting it as-is, sanctuary cities like New York are still struggling to care for asylum seekers taking their word seriously. NYC was left spending $4.24 billion to care for asylum seekers compared to the $3.16 billion the Biden administration awarded to homeless programs across the country. Why is one city spending more on a problem that Biden created than Biden is on a problem that's existed for decades? It's likely that the impact of immigration and asylum seeking falls somewhere between the Cato Institute's numbers and FAIR's.
It doesn't help that the Biden admin is unpopular in general, as is the media that's been running its cover for the last four years. Even if the admin had a response, barely anyone would have listened. As far as I'm concerned, they deserved to lose that trust.
Illegal immigration is a symptom of a broken legal immigration system. This is by design by both Republican and Democratic Administrations for decades for the benefit of corporations. Illegal immigrants do not desire to be here illegally. If they were able to come through legal channels, they would, but that's not possible with our current legal channels.
It shouldn't, but it's intentional to perpetuate the two-tier immigration system for cheap labor. We need an expedient system to process everyone properly without denying them entry.
You're acting as if these people are breaking the law intentionally, instead of the law being unjust and used to exploit these people because of their desperate circumstances. Reforming the response from deportation to processing is entirely my point. And the process for legal processing needs reform too, as I mentioned before. The strain it's under is deliberate and by design, it's not an accident.
There is no ethical way to have concentration camps. Nor is there any legitimate reason to have them. US prisons literally use slave labor, so that's not really helping your point.
Legalization would give them the same worker rights that regular Citizens have. Not to say US citizens aren't systematically abused by corporations either, but that illegal immigrants are abused even more.
Because neither the Democratic Party nor the Republican Party care about people anymore than they can be used for exploitation by corporations to increase profits. Homelessness is a systemic issues that's due to the privatization of housing, pricing millions of people out of affording the basic necessity that is shelter. Instead of helping them with Housing First, the US criminalizes homeless and exploits them through the prison system.
The two-tier immigration system is far more profitable, by magnitudes more than the costs to accommodate them.
Definitely. Both parties work at the behest of the donor class, of capitalist owners who's only interest is accumulating more capital by any means. Leeja Miller has a great video on the history of immigration and covers many of the questions you've had, especially when it comes to concerns about costs and legality.