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“My sense is that many enterprise WordPress administrators will think twice about continuing to use the software under these circumstances,” said IDC Research Manager Michele Rosen. “It’s such a shame to watch a leader in the open source community repeatedly sabotage his own project.”

“At this point, I have real concerns about the impact of Matt Mullenweg’s words and actions on the overall image of open source software,” she added. “Even if he feels that WP Engine’s actions are unethical and the court is wrong, his actions are clearly having an impact on the WordPress ecosystem, including his own business. It seems self-destructive.”

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I have tried it out like once every decade and it's always the same hot mess and I end up making my own homegrown html mess.

Is there no other FOSS alternative?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago

There are dozens, depending on what exactly you want to do.

[–] kalleboo@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

WordPress started out as a terrible hack PHP app and somehow while PHP the language has been improving to allow people to build sane apps, WordPress has somehow gone the other direction to make themselves EVEN MORE INSANE.

It used to be you could make a custom styled theme by taking the default theme and editing the HTML/CSS to customize the pages.

The current default themes use the most insane methods known to webdev. They replaced CSS with JSON files. And then use CSS embedded in JSON embedded in HTML comments inside of PHP files. It's completely incomprehensible.

[–] expr@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago

The best is trying to change the styling of page-builder plugins that shove their css god-knows-where in the Frankenstein's monster that is the WordPress database schema.

I'm so glad that I'm a million miles from WordPress now. I'm convinced it's propped up entirely by contractors and ad agencies with minimal to no understanding of how to actually build software and just build on a mountain of hacks to do anything at all.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I remember trying to edit the default theme once and simply couldn't work out why everything had a 5px margin around it. Even setting * {margin: 0 !important} didn't fix it

In the end it turned out to be an inline style, injected into the page by JS, after the rest of the page had loaded. It was apparently a fix for an IE6 bug, in 2019, why?

[–] TheFunkyMonk@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I build Craft CMS sites at work. It’s a paid product, but has a free version with some minor limitations and is open source. It’s fantastic.

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

TYPO3, Drupal, Joomla and others come to mind, but these are fully fledged CMS and not as end-user friendly as WordPress.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 11 points 1 day ago

Oh no, Joomla is just Wordpres with worse documentation.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The fully-fledged WP alternative should be called WordPrint

[–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I've been looking into Payload CMS. It's FOSS for the non Enterprise features I believe.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Interesting but man, their website ( https://payloadcms.com/ ) is a resource hog, it crawls 😐 not a good showcase...

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com -1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly, Docusaurus. The idea of a site for editing the site is so overkill. Docusaurus is great, just write some Markdown, convert to standard HTML. It's what I use for: https://nowsci.com.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That sounds like in-site editing with extra steps

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I actually use a system like that, mdbook?

You write in ml (open, modify, save), and then you have to "compile it" to static html that you then have to upload to your site.

Online editing: open site, hit some [EDIT] button, modify, hit [SAVE].

SO quite much more user friendly, lots of less steps.

Isn't ghost an alternative?

[–] loopedcandle@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 day ago

Every once in a while I go looking for FOSS alternates to WordPress . . .can't find one. Ghost is the closest I got and it's nowhere near the same.

[–] jbd@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Publii is a good alternative.