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[–] josefo@leminal.space 55 points 1 day ago (4 children)

What if we start killing board members instead of just CEOs, you know, the puppet masters along with the puppet.

While we are at it, also any billionaires to

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

DDD let's a go!

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

There's no shortage of steel that I'm aware of, and chain production is entirely automated at this point. So why not?

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is my biggest frustration with these posts. We might not like it, but CEOs are still working class. Most of their wealth is derived from a paycheck. They aren't even the owning class. They're rich AF, but they're a symptom more than a problem.

[–] josefo@leminal.space 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

CEOs are not working class dumbass hahahaha

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

Working class means your primary wealth generation tool is selling your labor. The compensation plans vary widely, but I think most CEOs are earning most of their wealth through a salary vs returns on things they own.

You can hate it all you want, but that's what working class means.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

They're mostly paid in stock options.

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

According to Forbes, on average 60% of CEO compensation is equity. In short, I was wrong. My bad!

[–] josefo@leminal.space 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Ok genius, what's the"labor" provided by a CEO? How do horizontal organizations like cooperative manage without that piece of labor? Do you know what a traitor of it class is? It's the reason police don't get the working class title either, they are watchdogs that provide no labor value, just means of control for the ruling class. Fuck capitalism, CEOs, the police, and everyone collaborating with oppression.

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think value to society weighs into the equation, just the ratio of salary to ownership wealth gain.

There are bad people in the working class that are a net detriment to society, just as there are good people in the owning class that are a net benefit. Those good and bad deeds don't change how they accrue wealth and therefore don't change their class.

This working class isn't a morality judgement, it's a wealth ratio per individual.

[–] josefo@leminal.space 1 points 13 hours ago

answer, the question, what is the actual labor value provided to the chain by those laborers? laborers create actual value, the ruling class exploit and extract value created by others. not for society as you say, but actual you know, value, wealth. they are contributing to production or not? it's easy to answer for real labor, mental gymnastics else. They are or are not fucking parasites of the laborers? Answer the question.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You can't murder your way out of a situation you didn't murder yourself into.

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

Not with that attitude.

[–] CyberMonkey404@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Technically speaking humanity did murder itself out of feudalism and into capitalism

[–] kurwa@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

They started it, we just need to finish it.