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[-] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago

All economies are planned. The only difference is who is doing the planning.

But for real, a huge amount of very effective central planning is already done by private interests for the sake of profit. Big companies like Wal-Mart control huge amounts of the economy, and while they’re not in total control of everything, they are centrally-controlled within their sizeable boundaries. If planning didn’t work, Wal-Mart wouldn’t exist as we know it. The important question isn’t “does central planning work?” or “is it the most efficient/effective way?” it’s “who should be in control of the planning?”

If you want a really interesting view on central planning, look up Project Cybersyn. It was an experiment in a sort of hybrid centralized-decentralized planning of Chile’s economy using management cybernetics and early computer systems.

[-] bizzle@midwest.social 18 points 1 year ago

That surely changed how I look at things, actually

[-] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

This reminds me of a book called The People's Republic of Wal-Mart. In particular this excerpt about when SEARS decided to run its internal operations as a competitive free market is pretty eye-opening

(TLDR stonks-down)

[-] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

I think Richard-D-Wolff had an episode about SEARS: essentially they had departments competing with each other with advertising as the reward. Power tools ended up as the cover for the Mother’s Day newspaper insert.

[-] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Sears aka "Internal contradictions speedrun (Any%)"

[-] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

"People's Republic of Walmart" is a decent work on this topic

[-] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Two folks have already suggested “People’s Republic of Wal-Mart”, which is defintiely what was on my mind when I wrote this post and is a much more fulsome analysis of this specific subject, but if this is interesting to you as an angle for viewing the world, I highly recommend the book “Thinking in Systems: A Primer” by Donella Meadows. It’s not an explicitly socialist text, but it’s a concise and very accessible introductory work on systems thinking, and it puts a lot of the key concepts in place to think about the world in these terms.

[-] Finger@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Good on you for asking these questions.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

More half measure, Walter.

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