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[–] MaeBorowski@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

lmao. I unironically believe this though.

picard

The more you concentrate power, the harder it is to keep bad actors from abusing said power.

What makes you think the power over those billion+ people is all "concentrated"? Could it be (gasp!) that the power is largely distributed among those people who overwhelmingly support that government? This is just capitalist-realism-brained misunderstanding of how communist parties work.

Most Americans approve of capitalism. Does that make it good too?

No, but that's certainly not what makes it bad.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Could it be (gasp!) that the power is largely distributed among those people who overwhelmingly support that government?

Democracy doesn't work when it's top-down. In the West, the capitalist and ruling class is capable of exerting control on public opinion and therefore on elections. The same is true of the CCP, which can influence public opinion as well. The best way to combat this is by emancipating individuals so they are able to resist state propaganda. China has a dogshit score on the press freedom index, so good luck educating the people on the shortcomings of the government. The government is intransparent and oppressive by design.

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

the press freedom index

Oh not the Burger Institute Freedom Fries Index?!?!

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's maintained by Reporters without Borders and is not US affiliated

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

It's maintained by Reporters without Borders and is not US affiliated

literally a 10 second search

An anarchist like yourself, how much do you trust a Non-Governmental Organizations that is 52% funded by Western states and the rest comes from big corporations or similar fake non-state-actors?

They literally list the National Endowment for Democracy as a main partner!

(I'll help, the NED is the soft power branch of the CIA)

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Can you explain how Whole Process People's Democracy is "top-down?" Further, can you explain why it's a good thing for Capitalists to control the press, and not the public? The inverse of public press is private press, and that means ownership by Capitalists and liberals. Surely it's better for the people to control the press, and not the bourgeoisie?

Further, can you explain how the government is "intransparent and oppressive by design?" Just because you don't speak mandarin doesn't mean the process is mystified and opaque for those who live in and contribute to said system.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Can you explain how Whole Process People’s Democracy is “top-down?”

Can you explain to me how it's not?

Further, can you explain why it’s a good thing for Capitalists to control the press, and not the public?

No, because it's not. Nice strawman. Is this public you speak of the government?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You made the claim that the PRC is run from a top-down manner. If you can't substantiate claims you make, then don't make them.

Secondly, if the press is not publicly owned, then it becomes privately owned, and as such is subject to effortless bourgeois domination. You are trying to have your cake and eat it too in order to play the endless contrarion.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Again you construe publicly owned and government-owned

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I do not misconstrue anything, here. Public property is accomplished from within the ownership of government, a news organization being a worker coop doesn't mean it is immune to bourgeois influence.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

true, and a government being elected also doesn't make it immune to bourgeois influence, and especially not to influence from the politicians themselves

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

Correct, which is why you need to understand that the class in power in the PRC is the proletariat and the party structure gains its legitimacy and power from the bottom-up.