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[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The unfortunate truth is that a Trump win is relevant to our long term survival as a species.

You actually missed the biggest thing of all. Trump's new world disorder is going to create an explosion of nuclear proliferation. In the new environment, countries can no longer rely on the US nuclear umbrella as they have for the past 70 years. Every country will rightly want to have their own nuclear weapons now. And the shear amount of new countries that are going to have their own nuclear weapons is going to guarantee a disaster sooner or later.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I hope you're wrong, this is fucking terrifying.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That ball started rolling in 2014 when we did fucking NOTHING in response to Russia annexing Crimea. Seriously, I consider that one moment to be Obama’s most catastrophic foreign policy failure.

And this is now why Ukraine has openly said they’re considering a crash nuclear weapons program - which they can do, because they had a lot of former Soviet personnel that operated and maintained Soviet nukes back in the day, and a lot of very fucking motivated and intelligent citizens who would absolutely love it if they could make Russia fuck off from their territory for good.

Nukes are the absolute final word in maintaining sovereignty and territorial integrity. Ukraine would not be getting invaded now if they still had a few warheads stashed in a bunker being quietly maintained. But they signed the Budapest Memorandum, and gave them up in exchange for “security guarantees and assurances” which were ultimately thrown on the floor. Nobody will EVER make that deal again.

TL;DR: Nuclear proliferation is back with a vengeance, baby!

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

We're gonna fucking blow ourselves off the face of the earth, all because a few dudes just couldn't stop trying to obtain power. How disgusting.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago

Good, maybe it'll end quickly then, rather than this long, drawn out, slow cooking...

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Heck they even were saying they want to nuke Mars. Oh wait, I mean lie about their reason for putting nukes in space

https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/499968-russian-space-chief-elon-musks-plan-to-bomb-mars-is-a-cover-to-put/

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Cartels will have nukes shortly after smaller countries with weak or bribable security forces have them.