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[-] Kurokujo@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

From my perspective it was less about the numbers and more about how vocal Trump was about his intentions. Add to that the family separation policy and the STILL MISSING children when he's a known associate of Epstien there was plenty to be upset about.

[-] Spiralvortexisalie@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

So you claim that Trump is objectively worse because he was vocal rather than Obama doing it on a muted basis? Despite Obama doing substantially higher numbers? That is definitely some take on these set of facts.

[-] Kurokujo@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

No, I'm saying just looking at the numbers doesn't tell the whole story and intentions also play a large role. Trump wanted to do more than he did but was hindered in many ways. He still did untold damage to our immigration systems and irreparably damaged hundreds of families. It's really difficult to explain a concept as vast as this without essentially writing a book, and that isn't my strong suit.

I'm perfectly okay with Obama also being a bad guy here, but he didn't publicly dehumanize immigrants and their families. He also didn't advocate for removing legal residents based solely on their demographic information.

[-] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

Wow, I have no clue how you thought this fact was enough to argue against "Trump is objectively worse than Obama".

Trump is by far, and I mean by an unreal margin, the WORST human being to ever hold the seat of President of the United States of America. There is no debate that Trump is objectively the worst.

Now sure some people did some things more than others. That's true for everything. Obama deporting illegal immigrants is nothing like the racism and hatred towards racialized Americans has stoked on the last 8 years. An illegal immigrant KNOWS their number could be up at any time, it's not a hateful act to legally deport them. But now, EVERY minority in the US, and all women, know their number might get called at any time, and that's a fear that no lawful citizen deserves.

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