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Liberals don't vote for the green party. Not genocidey enough.
Sure it is. The Green Party is doing more to make genocide happen than the Democrats are. The Greens are explicitly running as a spoiler candidate to make Harris lose swing states. This will cause Trump to win the presidency and bomb the West Bank.
Source: https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/10/harris-vs-trump-spoiler-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud.html
You seem to have liberals and leftists confused. Liberals support Democrats because they're happy that the party has come around to supporting the genocide they've always wanted. Some leftists don't want genocide and vote for someone you don't want them to (someone who, yes, is an intentional spoiler, which I've said before), so you have to pretend that your genocide support is the moral genocide support.
You're no different. I voted for Harris, by the way. Took a long shower afterwards. Didn't help. I will resent Democrats forever for manipulating me into voting for liberals' genocide.
Drag isn't supporting genocide. Drag is picking Harris and her plan to end the genocide over Trump's genocide, and over apathetic complicity. Drag is picking the option with the greatest chance of preventing the most genocide. On the other hand, liberals will pay taxes into the president's war chest and do nothing to prevent Trump from taking that war chest and using their money for genocide. That's complicity.
I voted for Harris. I harbor no illusions that she has any plan to end the genocide. Show me this plan if it isn't fiction.
https://fedia.io/m/politics@lemmy.world/t/1360068/-/comment/7923370
An investigation isn't a plan. It's a delaying tactic. We can't shovel weapons out the door fast enough for an obvious genocide, but if we want to condition sales, well, as in all things centrists don't want to do, wouldn't you know it? Our hands are conveniently tied and we have to go through this whole self-imposed process.
The genocide will be complete before any bogus "investigation" is over, and that's the idea.
According to this comment, the law requires an investigation, so yes, an investigation is a plan. If you want to say the law is delaying the ceasefire, sure. But Harris didn't write that law. Harris is following the laws she needs to follow in order to stop the genocide.
And since it says the genocide gets to continue, you uncritically accept the comment's interpretation of the law.
The Leahy law is a thing, but that's discretionary because it gets in the way of genocide.
If you'd like to present a critique of the interpretation, drag will listen. What drag will not do is be complicit in any way in genocide.
I already did, and you did not listen.
No, drag didn't understand. Your critique was one short sentence. The idea it's supposed to be refuting was several paragraphs. Drag doesn't know what point you were trying to make because you rushed it and used multiple ambiguous pronouns. Explain it properly.
The idea was one excuse buried in several paragraphs about multiple subjects. The Leahy law prohibits selling weapons to governments that we know are committing war crimes. Pretending that Netanyahu isn't committing war crimes and vaguely announcing that you support an investigation because that's the only way you can proceed is slow-walking compliance with a law that centrists don't want to follow and have no intention of ever following.
Frankly, I doubt you will accept any explanation that involves anything that might curtail weapons sales to Netanyahu before his genocide is complete and it's too little, too late.
Okay, the law says we need to know it's a genocide. That means Harris needs proof that it's a genocide. And the proof needs to be compelling enough to stop the MAGA SCOTUS from meddling. Therefore, investigation. Seems to drag like Harris is doing the right thing. You explained the law in a way that matches what drag heard.
The standard for the Leahy law is that the nation in question has to be credibly implicated in a serious abuse of human rights. The idea that any proof needs to be acceptable to genocide-happy MAGA is just an excuse to continue selling weapons. Any investigation would determine if we should resume arms sales, not a slow walk to delay ceasing arms sales.
Seems to me like anything that keeps the genocide going is considered by you to be the right thing.
You're making an ethical argument, and drag already 100% agrees with you ethically. If you want to disagree with drag, try making a legal argument.
I doubt that.
I did. You ignored it more than once. It's why I doubt your agreement with my ethical argument.