I’ve condemned both. What are you talking about?

Where the fuck did you do that? Must've missed it in all the obfuscation and deflection, help me out and point me to it. I'm not an avid follower of yours, so if it happened in some other thread just assume I didn't see it.

You've conditioned the end to Israel's genocide against Palestine on Hamas's surrender, but apparently have no conditions for Israel ending their own hostilities. You've deflected accountability away from Israel by saying 'whatabout' Iran/China/Russia, even as they are already being held to higher standard and face far more severe consequences for their once removed involvement (by an order of magnitude. It is not close.), and have made no indication that Israel deserves accountability of the same -if not more severe- magnitude. You've decontextualized the violence conducted by Israel and the US and western powers that define the current conflict, and gone out of your way to remove displays of bigotry and hate against Muslims.

Clearly not “nothing”, if you stand in support of Israel’s war and occupation of Gaza.

I do not.

You repeatedly placing the blame on resistance groups and selectively using the term 'terrorist' against them -while avoiding using the same term to describe Israel and their slaughter of innocent civilians - certainly says otherwise. I'll accept any application of the term 'terrorist' or 'terror' to the current Israeli occupation force as evidence of your opposition to their war. Even any clear indication that Israel is ultimately responsible for their own acts of genocide as evidence of your opposition. If you can clear that up then maybe we can part ways.

You still don’t understand. No context justifies violence against innocent people. You demand a lot from me, so now I will demand something from you. Say, “No context justifies violence against innocent people.”

I'll be as clear as I can be: unprovoked violence is always wrong, but I do consider hate speech to be a provocation. If a Nazi is standing on a corner spouting antisemitic slurs at passers-by, I think that Nazi is liable to have his lights put out. I wouldn't tell someone to go do it, but I certainly wouldn't direct my condemnation towards the person who threw the punch and then intentionally obfuscate the hate speech that immediately preceded it in my recounting

Where is the hate speech towards Muslims? You have to supply some now if you’re going to make these accusations and explain as to how they are hate speech.

The cartoon you've repeatedly dismissed as unimportant is hate speech. It's Islamophobic propaganda, and it borders on genocide denial. It renders passive and absent the genocide and famine that Israel is committing and holds up a racist and inaccurate religious practice as abstractly culpable for a horror Israel has chosen to commit themselves. I won't say it justifies calls to violence, but it absolutely does matter. It is important context to someone who would otherwise believe the call to violence was unprovoked. That cartoon was a provocation.

A part of understanding liberation movements is acknowledging that the oppressed minority is always held to a higher standard than the oppressor group, and in no thread has that been made more apparent than this one.

How is defending calls to massacre innocents 'fighting the good fight'

What's wrong with you? Clearly you haven't spent much time in the community. Many users are very much opposed to Israel's actions -- I know I am.

The dominant ideological position of any system never requires a rational, coherent, or consistent analysis. All they need is a post-hoc rationalization of their ideology by nature of their dominance at the top, and a rejection of all violence outside their hegemony.

It's the rhetorical equivalent of scoring just enough points to win and then taking the ball home with you. They deny everyone else the means of establishing a competing worldview by prohibiting the exact same violence they used to establish themselves as the dominant system.

None of these liberals really see the inconsistencies or contradictions of the ideology they're defending, assuming they try to see them at all. Most of them simply resign themselves to an unjust world because 'that's just the way it is'. There's no other way to break through to them other than slowly and patiently challenging them, and even then, most will never really see it. I don't know if goat will ever see reason but maybe a few in his community will, assuming he doesn't ban me for the constant pestering.

We'll see.