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Tim Walz gets bigger polling boost than JD Vance after VP debate
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He didn't do himself any favors when he refused to admit the 2020 election wasn't stolen and acted like the slippery weasel he is when questioned on abortion.
But obviously he did, enough people saw that and said "Yeah, That's my guy" that his net favorability rating is up 19 points. It's still negative, but the fact it went up at all is troubling.
I don’t like him at all, but he was articulate and not at all unhinged. He also hammered on the magic words that T somehow failed on: she’s been in office, where are her changes? (Yes, the VP job is a minimal role unless you’re Dick Cheney, but it works as effective perception management on most people.)
Walz looked like he was sweating into his suit when the debate started, but then warmed up.
The ending on Vance’s refusal to admit Trump lost in 2020, or to answer the question on whether or not he’d certify was really damning.
I get what you mean here, but it's also what makes Vance and whatever else comes after Trump so dangerous: the bar has been lowered so far that people now view "able to form coherent sentences" as "not at all unhinged."
The man stood there and repeated the bald faced lie about Haitian migrants' legal status and then had a temper tantrum that the rules said he wasn't supposed to be fact-checked.
The substance of what he was saying was absolutely unhinged. But the Overton window has shifted so far that, because his delivery was neatly packaged, it doesn't look that bad compared to what we've gotten used to.
Yeah, my father in law made some comment about "this debate is so much better than the last one" and I'm like...yeah, the word salad is replaced with Coherent English lies, but that's not a great step up.
Yes he did. But he sold it to people who don’t know better. This is probably why no fact checking was in the rules.
(Which, how is that even allowed to be a thing?)
He also, and this reads to your point, sells it to “non elites” (the non-degreed) with his dismissal of Wharton college economists. He acknowledges their PhDs, then says they lack common sense and wisdom, which has been a key byline for the Republican Party as a whole, echoing back years.
PhDs are snobby fucks who lack common sense. Listen to me instead.
The book smarts vs common sense, like they’re mutually exclusive is a very common, much repeated sentiment among working class Midwesterners. I was so mad that he got that right, not in the sense that it is correct, but that it will swing people his way.
People love to assume something like book smarts vs common sense or brains vs brawn is a scale where going higher on one means going lower on the other
Fair, but I'm not very worried about it. He's still in the negatives, and as news comes out about exactly how dishonest he was throughout, I think his negatives will tick back up.