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As long as the "driver" is responsible in case of a crash and not the manufacturer of the car, it will stay supervised no matter what the underlying tech is. "But your honour, I wasn't paying any attention, it was the autonomous car that drove over the kid" is not a valid defence.
Except it has been advertised as full self driving for about a decade now, and Elon Musk has even claimed it's safer than a human driver, because it doesn't lose concentration or attention.
elon is claiming this with the same hubris as the idiot submersible guy who was so cheap he killed himself... ignoring all industry standards to claim he knows better
God, wouldn't that be some karma if musk got killed by one of his own cars on 'autopilot'
Exactly, but more than that, they both ignore(d) testing, that showed it wasn't safe!!!
the autonomous driving levels are designed to includes vehicles with no driver whatsoever, as that is an inevitability of self driving vehicles.
not sure what youre going on about here.
e. for the ignorant: https://www.faistgroup.com/news/autonomous-vehicles-levels/
How is this downvoted? It's a correct response to a false claim: "no matter what the underlying tech is. "
The post responded to is basically nonsensical.
Also this part:
If this was changed to "it must stay supervised" It would make more sense.
Because it is a legal question, not a technological one.
Now, I don't know if the for example US traffic law has a tickbox somewhere a manufacturer can go and mark that they will take full responsibility in case of any accident and it will never be the result or liability of the owner/"driver" of the car, but until it does exist there is only supervised self driving, no matter how well or poorly it actually functions or what it does.
Even the current robotaxi endeavours are just one major fatal accident away from grinding to a halt when the courts start figuring out who in the chain from insurer to owner to manufacturer and every worker and designer who has even remotely touched the project is actually responsible for that death.
I don't get it, you wrote: " it will stay supervised", even though we've seen numerous cases where it was not. It just doesn't make sense, because it's contrary to reality. Disregarding it is illegal. But because it's illegal it would make sense to write it MUST stay supervised.
But then there's the matter of Mercedes FSD that is actually legal!
That was exactly the point. There are quite a number of cars with actual self-driving technology, where the driver is not responsible. Or if there is no driver.
Really? I wasn't aware of that, from which manufacturer and where can I buy one?
Mercedes, some states in USA.
But it's only verified for day time, and on marked roads.
But that's still better than Tesla.
Mostly you can't - most fsd options I'm aware of are mostly in the robotaxi space. Here's a website that tracks where they're available.
Otherwise your best bet today that I know of would be Mercedes Drive Pilot, which has a Level 3 rating for being autonomous.
There aren't. Mercedes system only works in two states on freeways during the daytime on sunny days at speeds below 40MPH with clearly marked lines and no construction. There are so many qualifiers that it's basically useless outside of the attention grabbing headlines.
Me in my Mercedes: activates FSD one one-thousand, two one-thousand, three one-thousand deactivates FSD wow! The future is here.
Mercedes and BMW IIRC