this post was submitted on 29 Sep 2024
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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards
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This was not, nor is it now a prerequisite, nor part of the definition. There were and are solutions that could benefit both Israelis and Arabs if they would sit down and settle it peacefully, which was my whole point.
It is, given the nationalistic nature of Zionism and the region that it prescribes for the Jewish people being already inhabited by the Palestinian Arabs. Not just historically, mind you - Zionism prescribes that even the current Palestinian lands should belong to the state of Israel.
Note that this is extremely close to the Nazi policy of Lebensraum, or "vital space". It is that bad.
Peaceful solutions are in direct conflict with Zionism. And the fact that you were proposing those, hints to me that you aren't Zionist, you're simply using the word in a bad way.
No, this is projecting your bias onto it or attributing the basic concept to those that are stretching the definition beyond its original intent.
The fact that Zionism is incompatible with Jewish-Arabic peaceful coexistence was already attested at least way back in 1975, by the UN General Assembly, that equated it with racism. It is also consistent with the fact that the state of Israel does not recognise Palestine as another state (as it shows that Israel sees those lands as its own by right, due to Zionism being its official ideology). And it is backed by a well-established tertiary source, itself backed by multiple sources of lower order.
So let me be blunt: cut off the crap. You could claim that I'm being misled or something like this, but you cannot honestly claim that I'm "projecting my bias" into it. And by doing the later you're being at the very least disingenuous (i.e. using dishonest argumentation), if not also outright assumptive (i.e. making shit up).
"Intention" - whatever it means - does not exist outside your head.
This is contextually relevant here given that moderators have no crystal ball to know your "intentions", so rule enforcement should be based on what you say. And in this case what you said is misinformation - regardless of your "intentions" behind the utterance. As such I keep my view that one of the removals was a false positive, but the other was accurate.
Not 'my' intentions. Those involved with the original concept. Intentions being: the formation of a State of Israel that has a majority Jewish population. That's it. That's core Zionism. Ever since this was accomplished it has been relegated to protecting that condition. Zionism as a movement, however, is not a monolith. Many sects want moar but that goes beyond core Zionism into something I'm sure we can both agree is too much. To lump all into that greedy mindset is, considering how much of an expert you are on it, disingenuous, so how about you stop telling Zionists what they believe (crap indeed) and start realizing your bias towards condemning all Zionists as being greedy.