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Ubisoft's Board is Launching an Investigation Into The Company Struggles (insider-gaming.com)

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This is going to be one of those "Ubisoft investigates Ubisoft and found that Ubisoft did nothing wrong at Ubisoft"-situations, isn't it?

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[-] parpol@programming.dev 9 points 2 days ago

I want to reaffirm that we are an entertainment-first company, creating games for the broadest possible audience, and our goal is not to push any specific agenda.

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[-] jettrscga@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

What agenda is that referencing? I'm out of the loop.

[-] parpol@programming.dev -4 points 2 days ago

https://www.ubisoft.com/en-us/company/careers/interns-graduates/develop-at-ubisoft

[-] RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago

Oh look. Unpaid internships.

[+] parpol@programming.dev -8 points 2 days ago

First of all, discriminatory hiring.

second of all,

With more people playing video games than ever before, it is important for us to help build an inclusive entertainment industry that reflects the diversity of our players.

Sounds like an agenda to me.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

It's important to have a diverse workforce, especially in entertainment, because people with different backgrounds will have different ideas. Ideas are the lifeblood of how we improve things, and especially creativity. You people who can't see this are destined to fail. If you think this is evil rather than smart business to ensure you have the greatest strengths through differences of opinion are really blind. All of history has pretty much shown that diversity breeds creativity and growth. Hegemony breeds stagnation.

[-] parpol@programming.dev 0 points 1 day ago

Nope. It's important to have a skilled workforce in gamedev. Hiring based on gender and sexuality means you purposefully pick lower skilled workers in order to fill a diversity quota. Being in gamedev and having lead a team of juniors I can say this with confidence. Skill and motivation is everything, and their genders and sexuality mean zero. In fact, you shouldn't even see their genders or sexuality. Every worker regardless of background has a unique view, and can provide creative solutions without having to be reduced to their genders, sexuality, skin color.

Hiring based on gender and sexuality is discrimination, and illegal for a reason (and these companies get around it by using unpaid internships). It breeds hate and extremism.

Also, going to need to ask for some source of that claim of yours because historically the most creative and successful games have been made by entirely asian male teams or entirely white male teams, and games with diverse teams have been failing miserably.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 23 hours ago

Hiring based on gender and sexuality means you purposefully pick lower skilled workers in order to fill a diversity quota.

Incorrect. It means that you pick the best candidate, and when they're equal you don't just choose the white man like we always have in the past.

I'm a straight white man. I have no issue with diversity because it makes everyone better.

Every worker regardless of background has a unique view, and can provide creative solutions without having to be reduced to their genders, sexuality, skin color.

Sure, that's true because everyone has a different background. However, a straight white Christian man would likely never think of some of the things a gay Muslim would think of, because they have faced different issues and been taught different things.

For example, there's an issue with IQ testing, where the tests were designed for typical western education. However, different cultures can be better or worse at certain questions just by how they're phrased. Some cultures may think of something geometrically. For example, all math by the ancient Greeks were done with shapes, not numbers. They would solve math problems in totally different and unique ways than a typical modern day western educated person would. They aren't less smart for it. Their brains were just wired differently because of the way they were educated.

Not every person thinks the same. Cultures, education, oppression, trauma, pleasures, and everything else effect how you think and you you'll think of. Diversity in thought allows us to take advantage of this as much as possible.

[-] parpol@programming.dev 0 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Incorrect. It means that you pick the best candidate, and when they're equal you don't just choose the white man like we always have in the past.

That is not what is happening, and your scenario cannot happen unless by equal you mean based on a very shallow measurement. You'll never find two people who are equally good. It also doesn't say the program is for women, non-binary or skilled men. It excludes men entirely.

However, a straight white Christian man would likely never think of some of the things a gay Muslim would think of, because they have faced different issues and been taught different things.

I disagree with this view. "Only people of X can produce quality X" is just shallow thinking, and can in fact be used just as much as a counter argument like "only men can make quality games for gamers who are mostly male, so we should hire mostly men". A straight white christian male can absolutely have similar views and ideas to a gay Muslim.

Also, if you're hiring a gay Muslim over someone else just because they are gay and Muslim, how do you think that makes them feel knowing this?

But more importantly, what does gender, sex and ethnicity contribute to a team of programmers, which is half the workforce of gamedev?

In hiring, when asking for expert opinions, when looking for quality, the best gender is always "any". The best sexual orientation is always "None of my business", and the best race is always "Human"