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A courts reporter wrote about a few trials. Then an AI decided he was actually the culprit.
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Oh, this would be funny if people en masse were smart enough to understand the problems with generative ai. But, because there are people out there like that one dude threatening to sue Mutahar (quoted as saying "ChatGPT understands the law"), this has to be a problem.
And to help educate the ignorant masses:
Generative AI and LLMs start by predicting the next word in a sequence. The words are generated independently of each other and when optimized: simultaneously.
The reason that it used the reporter's name as the culprit is because out of the names in the sample data his name appeared at or near the top of the list of frequent names so it was statistically likely to be the next name mentioned.
AI have no concepts, period. It doesn't know what a person is, or what the laws are. It generates word salad that approximates human statements. It is a math problem, statistics.
There are actual science fiction stories built on the premise that AI reporting on the start of Nuclear War resulted in actual kickoff of the apocalypse, and we're at that corner now.
IIRC, this was the running theory in Fallout until the show.
Edit: I may be misremembering, it may have just been something similar.
I haven't played the original series but in 3 and 4 it was pretty much confirmed the big companies like BlamCo! intentionally set things in motion, but also that Chinese nuclear vessels were already in place near America.
Ironically, Vault Tech wasn't planning to ever actually use their vaults for anything except human expirimentation so they might have been out of the loop.
Yeah, it's kinda been all over the place, but that's where the show ended up going, except Vault Tech was very much in the loop. I can't get spoiler tags to work, so I'll leave out the details.
What I'm thinking of, though, was also in Fallout 4. I've been thinking on it, and I remember now that what I'm thinking of is that it's implied that the AI from the Railroad quests fed fake info about incoming missiles to force America to fire. I still don't remember any specifics, though, and I could be misremembering. It's been a good few years after all, lol.
This isn't quite accurate. LLMs semantically group words and have a sort of internal model of concepts and how different words relate to them. It's still not that of a human and certainly does not "understand" what it's saying.
I get that everyone's on the "shit on AI train", and it's rightfully deserved in many ways, but you're grossly oversimplifying. That said, way too many people do give LLMs too much credit and think it's effectively magic. Reality, as is usually the case, is somewhere in the middle.
Jfc you dudes really piss me of with these contrarian rants, piss off it takes power and makes sophisticated word salads.
Oh, my bad, I thought the point of discussion boards was to have a discussion...
If your only goal is to spout misinformation and stick your fingers in your ears, I'll go somewhere else.
Is this true? I know that's how Marcov chains work, but I thought neural nets worked differently with larger tokens.
The only difference between a generic old fashioned word salad generator and GPT4 is the scale. You put multiple layers correcting for different factors on it and suddenly your Language Model turns into a Large Language Model.
So basically your large tokens are made up of smaller tokens, but its still just statistical approximation of the sample data with little to no emergent behavior or even memory of what its saying as it says it.
It also exponentially increases power requirements, as the world is figuring out.
I don't disagree, I was just pointing out that "each word is generated independently of each other" isn't strictly accurate for LLM's.
It's part of the reason they are so convincing to some people, they are able to hold threads semi-coherently throughout entire essay length paragraphs without obvious internal lapses of logic.
I think you're seeing coherence where there is none.
Ask it to solve the riddle about the fox the chicken and the grains.
Even if it does solve the riddle without blurting out random nonsense, that's just because the sample data solved the riddle billions of times before.
It's just guessing words.
I think it getting tripped up on riddles that people often fail or it not getting factual things correct isn't as important for "believability", which is probably a word closer to what I meant than "coherence."
No one was worried about misinformation coming from r/SubredditSimulator, for example, because Marcov chains have much much less believability. "Just guessing words" is a bit of a over-simplification for neural nets, which are a powerful technology even if the utility of turning it towards language is debatable.
And if LLM's weren't so believable we wouldn't be having so many discussions about the misinformation or misuse they could cause. I don't think we're disagreeing I'm just trying to add more detail to your "each word is generated independently" quote, which is patently wrong and detracts from your overall point.
lmao yeh bro such a hard riddle totally
I concede. AI has a superintelligient brain and I'm just so jealous. You have permission to whip me into submission.
What on Earth is this in response to?? Did I say it was a hard riddle?
Point to any part of my comment that implied any of this.
I only gave more info on how LLMs work since what you were describing were Marcov chains. I wasn't saying you were wrong with the thrust of your comment, just the details on how they work. If they were exactly as effective as Marcov chains we wouldn't be having these discussions, that's why they can be misused.
Feel free to discuss the actual words I'm using instead of this LLM word salad.
Well clearly the AI couldn't solve the riddle because even humans find it soooooo haaaard, daddy.
Are you in high school? You're making up things I never said and putting a sexual element on your responses for no reason.
Stay in school and learn how to have discussions before arguing about language and technology lol
Goodnight.
I'm just sick of you morons extending these comment threads out 5, 8, 20 fucking replies in defense of one of the shittiest things mankind has ever invented.
Yeah, Marcov Chains are truly the worst thing our species has produced!
Glad you have your priorities straight. It's been fun talking to a chatbot instead of having a discussion like normal people. You can respond to this comment with whatever responses you want, just know that according to the things I've pretended you said, I've won the argument.
That's not quite true. Ai's are not just analyzing the possible next word they are using complex mathematical operations to calculate the next word it's not just the next one that's most possible it's the net one that's most likely given the input.
No trouble is that the AIs are only as smart as their algorithms and Google's AI seems to be really goddamn stupid.
Point is they're not all made equal some of them are actually quite impressive although you are correct none of them are actually intelligent.
Poor use of terms. AI does not analyze. It does not think, or decode, or even parse things. It gets fed sample data and when given a prompt (half a form) it uses statistical algorithm to finish the other half.
All of the algorithms are stupid, they will all hallucinate and say the wrong things. You can add more corrective layers like OpenAI has but you'll only be closer to the sample data. 95% accurate. 98%. 99%. It doesn't matter, it's always stuck just below average human competency for questions already asked countless times, and completely worthless for anything that requires actual independent thought.