940
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 month ago

Primary elections are how parties change. Primary elections are how the Republican party became what it is today. They are often the highest-leverage vote you can cast if you're in a solid district.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 month ago

Yup. People don't realize there is already a not horrible approximation of runoff voting that still avoids the spoiler effect.

And just look at what happened when Sanders realized that. He went from being a meme about how nobody watches C-SPAN to one of the more influential politicians on the Left.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

Well I'd say it's still pretty bad with the super delegates and such. But yeah it's runoff system of sorts and people should pay more attention to it.

But a lot of the "system is broken" angst comes from people being not happy over who the majority of people vote for. But that's just democracy, baby.

But the Electoral College, yeah that shit is broken.

[-] davidgro@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Primaries are still subject to spoiler effects and such.

In my very blue state this year where the top two in the primary go on to the general, there was a local position which had a whole bunch of well qualified Democrats vs just a couple of Republicans. (Incumbent not running)

The dem vote was split enough that we very nearly had just the two Republicans in the general. Like less than 60 votes away.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

And there are scenarios under runoff voting where similar can occur (e.g. two seats, 2 right wing, 4 left wing) and is where the "election theory" aspect of things that certain folk are still bitching about (because that is the most important thing to have happened in the past 8 years, clearly). The party needs to take the results of the primary and downselect who actually runs to avoid splitting their own vote.

No voting system is perfect. But people should really understand what we have and what their NEED improves and fails to improve rather than just insisting "new is better".

[-] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Remind me who won in 2016? How do you think all those Bernie supporters felt about the election that was still very much influenced by FPTP dynamics.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 month ago

More voters went from Hillary Clinton to John McCain in 2008 than went from Sanders to Trump in 2016 -Source

[-] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Primary elections aren’t democratic either (see party delegates). I feel like people who say this are rarely politically engaged in their communities. Same with the people who say to get involved in local city politics to make change.

Ultimately you’re supporting a facist system that is historically atrocious and currently financially supporting a genocide almost singlehandedly but go ahead and keep telling people that the best way to maintain some semblance of moral character is to vote in this sham.

this post was submitted on 14 Sep 2024
940 points (87.2% liked)

Showerthoughts

29525 readers
1227 users here now

A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The best ones are thoughts that many people can relate to and they find something funny or interesting in regular stuff.

Rules

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS