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What the fuck is this racist bullshit? Trump is a racist, but we teach 2 year olds that two wrongs doesn’t make a right.
Is it racist to identify the elevated white male privilege, compounded by spoiled child syndrome? I don't think so. I'm a white male and don't find this in any way racist against me. Hits the mark in my opinion on why many of my fellow white male men are duped into maga bullshit.
Do you think this kind of rhetoric
Read further down in other comments, but:
Also a white man. While I don’t find this wording racist, I do think it makes an implicit association between white masculinity and negative character traits. This is effective when used as a critical lens by which to examine people like trump and the maga movement, because in those instances, the association is accurate. That being said, I do find that this kind of discourse on a broader scope is unproductive and I can certainly understand why one would perceive it as inflammatory. If we as white men are serious about defeating toxic masculinity, increased toxicity is unlikely to be an effective strategy. I believe it would be far more effective for us to focus our energy on reclaiming the concept of masculinity by endorsing and promoting white men who use their power in society to stand up for those less privileged than themselves. We also can’t rely on media outlets to do it for us, it’s a thing we need to own.
Well said and fair points. Ultimately I can agree that this entire article could be written as-is but for the exclusion of white. No doubt toxic masculinity is a problem. And no doubt there a considerable amount of white privilege; though the two probably should be separated as opposed to conjoined in discussion. Trump is a spoiled, silver-spooned manchild whose position has come about through a considerable degree of white privilege. Though as you said, one must be careful to narrow the scope of the conversation. That strictly applies to him, and probably should not be generalized more broadly.
Whereas toxic masculinity is more widespread and certainly not unique to white men (although in the moment under the MAGA banner and the audience of Jordan Peterson or Joe Rogan, it just so happens to predominantly be this group). I've read several articles about how inroads are being made with hispanic and black young male groups just the same — again, due to right-wing propaganda making inroads.
This where Walz could come in and why the VP Debate may be a bigger deal than many people realize. Walz has the capacity to do just as you said and project a certain male confidence. In his speech just yesterday he explicitly said, "Don't mistake kindness for weakness." If he carries through with this message as a military veteran and as a coach who can speak the frat bro language... Well, it may resonate with some and bring some back.
Well said to you as well. I agree that Tim Walz is a stellar example of the kind of masculinity I think we should be promoting. His VP candidacy has me so hopeful for a future where men like him are really able to reshape the narrative to one where being a strong man means being a respected and dependable ally.
Thank you, you said it well. I agree wholeheartedly.
I don't think it's racist against me but it's still fucking stupid and not at all the correct thing to take away.
Why is it stupid and what is the correct takeaway?
Academics are different than reality, and the reality is that using this kind rhetoric is going to incite people to come out and fight for people like trump -- this is fuel on the fire. Do you want the world to burn down so you can be right or do you want to accept that things aren't perfect but the world still functions?
Let's not kid ourselves...This article isn't being read by Trump supporters or even fence sitters. It merely identifies the problem; it doesn't prescribe a method of outreach.
It's not the article I'm talking about, it's just the general conversation. Trump should be in jail but trying to get everyone to talk about things like white privilege has pulled off enough of the population to somehow keep as an actual presidential candidate.