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An ‘earthquake’ at Volkswagen – and a crisis for Germany?
(www.theguardian.com)
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Anything to come out of Germany at that time will have ties to the Nazis. A German car company being ran by Nazis 80-90 years ago isn't particularly shocking. So were bakeries. Doesn't mean baking a cake makes you a Nazi.
And this, while not being good news, has literally nothing to do with Nazism.
What even is this comment lol
Bigger issue is that many German elites made their money during nazi times and they were never punished for their role since US needed allies to rule west Germany.
This similar to the US where slaver families are still very much part of the ruling class. And slave capital is the foundation of us industrial prowess.
Again, completely unrelated to the running of VW in 2024.
E: lol my below comment got removed for me saying moving a car factory, while being bad, isn't Nazism.
To which ever mod removed it: fuck your censorship. You are being a cunt.
Trivialising the Nazis and their actions by equivocating it with moving a car factory. You are pathetic.
If you genuinely think moving a car factory is equivelant to exterminating undesirables and installing a dictatorship, you need to get a life, you absolute moron.
Yes "completely"
I am highlighting the fact that German elites have a lot people who made money during nazi times by actively collaborating with the regime.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche%E2%80%93Pi%C3%ABch_family
Ain't this family still key shareholdrr of the group?
Didn't their grand daddy or some shit collaborated with nazis and used slave labour for manufacturing equipment for the german war crimes?
"Completely"
I have the impression that you're just trying to derail here. Yes, Nazi fortunes in German industry are a fact but: How does the presence of Nazi money impact e.g. VW's (lack of) success in electric cars?
Ultimately, money is money, no matter where it originally came from. And investors generally invest to get a return. And VW is acting like basically any other capitalist company.
Why does a nazi slaver faamily has property rights in this company in 2024?
As GrandNagus said quite a few times already: That is a reasonable question in general but 100% unrelated to the matter at hand.
He responded to somebody down playing German nazi past. I am not sure what he responded to... I provide counter argument that a nazi slaver family still maintains a key shareholder position in VW.
There many other such examples across German elites. Nazi slavers are the back bone of German elites.
This is an online discussion. It is fine for you to not like points but
Y'all just coping while trying to down at nazi slaver history because it makes you uncomfortable lol
Germans got a lot to figure this blind obidience to the ruling the ruling elites is how Germans became nazis and here we are and Germans are still bootlicking lol
My previous comment was removed for being anti-Nazi or something, idk. I was never given an explanation. Weird and disappointing behaviour from a mod. It shouldn't be controversial to think Nazis are bad. But I guess this is the world we live in now.
But no, not "completely". Completely.
The quotes make it seem like moving a car factory is in fact tantamount to Nazism. Which it isn't. Only a fool would think that moving a car factory is tantamount to installing a brutal warmongering dictatorship that systematically murders religious and ethnic minorities, the disabled, etc.
You need to brush up on your history if you think the Nazis are bad because they moved factories about.
I deleted the comment because of the ~~ad-hominem~~ insult ("are you the biggest fuckwit?"). Please do look into the mod log before making such accusations.
Where can I see this? I'm looking about but can't find any mod log. Usually mods would inform commenters if they censor thsm, rather than do it silently.
Why were other comments removed, in that case? E.g. I don't see how "I don't think you know what Nazism means", in reply to a person who thinks moving a car factory is Nazi ideology is an example of rule breaking.
And apologies for the pedantry, but an ad hominem is when you dismiss someone's argument by attacking their character or their motivations. That's not what I did. I explained why their argument ('moving factories is Nazism') is absurd, then asked if they were a fuckwit. I didn't call them a fuckwit and leave it at that.
Rude? Yeah tbh it was, and I guess that's against a rule. But it's certainly not an ad hominem, and I kind of take issue with people seeking to minimise and whitewash Nazis, and tbh, I will be unapologetically rude to people who do that. I think Nazis are bad.
Thank you for the link, I didn't know it existed.
You are still ignoring key fact that a family who made their fortunes as nazis are still a key shareholders of major German publically traded company.
Aa for VW plans to shut down factories is a separate issue.
My response was the cavalier attitude that germans have about their elites and how they went completely without punishment.
Common German bootlicker sees no issue with this, rest of people are tired of this behavior. American slavers and Germany nazis got away with the crime because "capital"
No, nobody is going to just "completely" move on.
No amount of stupid books written by some cucked historians to white wash this history going to fix bad historical facts for the German elites. I am surprised regular Germany is this will to larp this propaganda
This is the first time you've mentioned it to me directly. I haven't ignored it.
And again, what's the relevance? Yeah some people who were Nazis 85 years ago had a business. Now in 2024 their descendants are still rich and still invested.
What does this have to do with news that VW is considering moving a factory?
How is this proof of present-day Nazism within the VW group? Can you point to any Nazism? Do you have proof? Because your original comment was about VW effectively being a Nazi organisation making Nazi moves.
What is it you want? People today being punished by the government based on the sins of their ancestors? If so, I certainly hope nobody in your family tree has ever been a criminal.
Sounds like you should be expressing this opinion on a submission about the postwar period in Germany, not on a submission about a car factory possibly being moved, which is a completely and utterly unrelated matter.
E: more removed comments. Can I at least get an explanation, please?
Wow