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[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

But that's the whole debate, isn't it? What is and isn't aggression?

[-] Forester@yiffit.net 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I don't understand where you're getting a debate from. It's pretty easy to summarize as. Don't shit in the Common well don't pollute the common air. Don't trespass on your neighbor's property. Don't touch your neighbor's things. Never resort to violence unless for self-defense.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Property is theft!

[-] Forester@yiffit.net 2 points 3 months ago

That's an opinion. I don't know where you found it but it's an opinion.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago
[-] Forester@yiffit.net 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm a capitalist sweetie

I believe in minarchism and capitalism

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Seriously bro, look up the history of libertarianism! Even if it doesn't change your mind about anything, it's useful to understand the context.

"One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, for the first time in my memory, we, ‘our side,’ had captured a crucial word from the enemy . . . ‘Libertarians’ . . . had long been simply a polite word for left-wing anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety. But now we had taken it over..."

— Murray N. Rothbard, The Betrayal Of The American Right

[-] Forester@yiffit.net 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I would advise you to go further back and read Locke and Thoreau

Capitalist minarchism is a branch of Lockeism

The theory is rooted in laws of nature that Locke identifies, which permit individuals to appropriate, and exercise control rights over, things in the world, like land and other material resources. In other words, Locke's theory is a justificatory account about the legitimacy of private property rights.

However, I am partial to several of thoreau's Geoism points

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

I have, that's why I consider it an open debate and not a settled matter. :-) Geoism is a great example because we created the products of our labor, but not the land on which they rest.

The Lockean Proviso says we just need to leave enough for others, but there's no longer any livable unclaimed land left on Earth. If there's no place left for anyone to realistically homestead, then every landlord is violating the NAP. We can't just disappear into the woods and be left alone anymore - "you're camping on private property".

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