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Climate scientists flee Twitter [to Mastodon] as hostility surges
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Oh, i didnt know this was like IT. i'll tell my russians friends just to ignore putin's regime
If by ignore, you mean stop paying taxes and working in any capacity for government in one go, yes would work. The only fear is being singled out, if more than 0.5% of the people do it, army wont even have the guts to get tanks out, they will join.
Touché
Venezuela has ~70% of the people against the regime, (nearly 90% counting the 5M that were not allowed to vote) and the needle isn't even moving.
And in Russia being "singled out" is apparently a national tradition.
Sorry, I may be over pessimistic today.
I guess that's a fair example. But logically sounds impossible for such control over the population to be had. If a group went out to the streets to oust the government, you would say at least maybe 45% would join.
No. Dunno where did you take that 0.5% from, it's not empirically confirmed by anything.
Like 20% if you want to see civil war. Like 40% if you want to see regime change.
There is the semi-usually-known research that suggests 3.5% is enough for non-violent protests to reach changes. https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.7312/chen15682
0.5% is 1 in 200 people, essentially everyone knowing personally one person who is against the government. Maybe it isn't enough.
But also, 0.5% homogenously (instead of country-wide being concentrated in Moscow), would be 600k people peacefully marching in Moscow streets
It doesn't work. It's some urban legend that this is sufficient. Even those 600k may or may not be stopped by a threat of real ammo being used. I'm not even talking about coordination.
One can "prove" anything with selectively chosen statistics.
They werent selectively chosen. " An original, aggregate data set of all known major nonviolent and violent resistance campaigns from 1900 to 2006 is used to test these claims." As well as any researcher who isn't a complete buffoon would only look at statistics that has only a 2-3 sigma chance of only being stochastic noise.
The set of indicators, of course, was selectively chosen. The authors, of course, have decided which of these they consider important and which don't, that is, decided upon weights and criteria.
That is complete unfounded fluff words. No paper would be published if it was biased and as selective as you say. Look at the paper at least briefly and we can discuss.
I think you can download it here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/240678278_Why_Civil_Resistance_Works_The_Strategic_Logic_of_Nonviolent_Conflict
Of interest maybe would be the indicators of a campaigns success:
That is incredibly naive of you and truly points to your lack of credibility.
Bye.
Tell me more about how antivax scientists didn't successfully publish a paper with tons of biases and nonsensical findings.
You'll have to actually reference a published paper for that claim.
lmao
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_MMR_autism_fraud
"[The paper] admitted that the research did not "prove" an association between the MMR vaccine and autism."
"He was reportedly asked to leave the Royal Free Hospital [around 2001] after refusing a request [presumably around 1999] to validate his 1998 Lancet paper with a controlled study."
You could say it took to long to retract the paper, which was essentially full of data-fudged "maybes". But it supposedly was "science" until it was uncovered as just fraud.
Apart from the data fudging, and intense bullshit and hype-train pushing by the now deregistered "professional" [fraudster].
Sorry, this just shows the resillience of publishing, and the scientific community to fraud and [alleged] corruption.
No lmao.
The paper wasn't retracted until 2010 lol. The point is that fraudulent papers can be published.
Still lmao.
Uh... sure it does, buddy.
In just the same way you can get away from taxes by lying vehemently... he lost his job and reputation in less than three years.
Since the paper itself was okay, but the data was falsified, obviously it was hard to prove the data was false until other studies not only showed it, but also his reputation was discredited and (presumably) investigations finished.
Incorrect data can happen even to a good paper in good faith due to instrument error.
The paper in question, again, was lots of "maybes" and no direct conclusions. The earth shattering conclusions were reached in press conferences where the guy lied vehemently, and the journalists ate it up like coke.
REMINDER: THIS IS WHERE WE STARTED
MY POINT = PROVEN CORRECT
PLEASE KEEP MOVING THE GOALPOST
The goal posts were not moved at any point. It was a discussion of the situation, as it is.
Please look at the paper you refer to: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(10)60175-4/abstract It was only retracted because of "In particular, the claims in the original paper that children were “consecutively referred” and that investigations were “approved” by the local ethics committee have been proven to be false. Therefore we fully retract this paper from the published record." It was retracted due to fraud. I don't think it's in any way wise to blame the possibility of fraud on the peer review process. Just as fraud can happen in any field because some people decide to pathologically lie.
However, besides the fraudulent ethics, the paper is fine, and as always previously reiterated multiple times. All it says are a bunch of maybes. It makes no extraordinary claims, it holds no conclusive proof, just a lot of "this maybe hints to something". The paper is publishable.
The actual scandal was caused by the Wakefield lying profusely in media.
These are two different things: what Wakefield said in media, and what Wakefield said in the paper. You should separate them.
lol ok bud
Pardon my ignorance. I may have a mild brain injury.
Could you perhaps rephrase?
I'm not sure if I understood what you said.
In IT (the movie and, i presume, also in the book)
spoiler
The kids realize that IT feeds on attention and that the only way to fight it is by ignoring itImo, shitter (X) is a cesspool as it is now, but I dont believe that leaving it to the hordes is a solution to anything. We need a better approach to deal with this people.
Ah, that makes sense. I thought you meant IT as in information technology. Was very confused.
Brain still good yey
edit: typo. perhaps I need to make that appointment
???? no he feeds on fear, the way they defeat it is not being afraid