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It doesn't fucking matter what these families want, BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL.
These families could want a bank robbed, or someone killed, and be totally okay if Trump did it for them, BUT ITS STILL ILLEGAL. AGAINST THE LAW.
Hope they charge him for this because it's absolutely despicable.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240831030326/https://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/Portals/0/ANC-media-policy.pdf
The ANC is irrelevant in this case.
Firstly, it doesn't seem that Trump violated what you cited, since he took no pictures, nor is there proof that he ordered anyone else to take any pictures. Secondly, it'd take a narrow interpretation of the pictures to presume that they're meant to endorse Trump himself, any more than images of Joe Biden earlier this year were meant to endorse Joe Biden's campaign (https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/Photos/President-Joe-Biden-visits-Arlington-for-Memorial-Day/14636/). Families like having pictures of an authority figure paying respects to their fallen loved ones. They reached out to Biden and Kamala Harris first, after all, which doesn't seem to me like they were aiming to exactly join Trump's campaign.
Sure...I bet you're well versed in the legal universe...somehow. Riiiiigght.
So if you want to really break it down, then your defense here is that Trump is just ignorant to the law...okay, sure. You'd also be making the case that if he didn't directly do anything actionable against the law, then he can't be doing anything illegal. THEN you're going down the rabbit hole of "Oh, they just told me to stand here and do this and that, I had no idea." So that's where you're leaving that.
EXCEPT, you're ignoring the fact they were TOLD BY A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ANC THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED IN. Then they started a physical altercation and assaulted that person. He was informed they were not allowed on the premises. There is no ignorance to what was what happening at that point. If you're backup is that his campaign managers didn't tell him, then you're also wrong, because they are expected to be acting on Trump's behalf in representing the campaign, which the law specifically covers as well.
You have no argument here.
Then your trying to something about Biden or whomever else also having pictures there... that's not the law. Read it again. It doesn't say "there is absolutely no photo/video to be taken at ANC". If an acting President is there for a pre-planned ceremony and are expected to be there in an official capacity, the press is allowed in to take photo and video. Thems the facts. It's at the discretion of cemetery officials to say who can and can't take photo/video.
They told Trump or his people to GTFO, they assaulted the staff, then went and did it anyway. The family has no say in this.
So not only did he commit one crime, he committed MULTIPLE crimes.
Dafuq outta here with your attempts to justify this.
I've never been a big fan of the Appeal To Authority fallacy, personally. You shared the law, so I read it.
You've hallucinated most of my arguments, so I'll ignore those points of yours.
Is there proof that the representative was correct?
This is a fair point though, I'll concede on this one. The MSM is different than a private photographer, which the link you shared pointed out.
What you linked said that the families needed to request the photographer 72 hours in advance. I'd like to hear from them if they did this, and whether or not they got confirmation that the request was approved or denied.
Yes. There is proof. The Trump Campaign team themselves released footage of the altercation to DC and Federal Authorities, and then went on social media of all places to preemptively try to argue that person they assaulted was having a "mental health episode". They were doing their job.
Yes, there is proof the representative was correct in turning them away. You quoted the fucking law.
Last point, the families never requested any permission to film, as the ANC representative already told them, they were not allowed to film or photograph there.
This is a non-discussion. Regardless of whether you, Trump, the families, or anyone else thinks so, there is a fucking codified law in place to prevent this shit, but they thought they could just do whatever they wanted. It was illegal, hands down.
Where can I find the video? I looked for it late last week but couldn't find it.
Where's the proof of the denial of the request? I haven't heard anything about that being released.
Who stated this? The ANC, the families, or another entity?
I don't think authorities make a habit of just releasing evidence to the public in that way. Again, you're not super familiar with this.
The representative filed a complaint. The Trump campaign said publicly there was an altercation. They then had to turn over video evidence of this to authorities. That's really the end of that question. It happened.
The families never requested any permission. The top two points I just made say that alone. The family doesn't even have a right to request permission to SET ASIDE THE LAWS IN PLACE. Again, they have no say in this. Even if they requested "Hey, Trump wants to come and do this thing", the response would have to be "Okay, but only in a private capacity, because no political campaigns are allowed to press here".
Are you listening to yourself? If he just wanted to go out of the goodness of his heart, then fucking do that. That's clearly not why he went though, or else there would have been no reason to turn them away. Walking up with a mob of campaign people and photo/video staff is clearly a fucking problem, so they were turned away, and instead of leaving, assaulted a military representative whose job it was to turn them away based on the law.
Get lost with this noise, for real.
This I know, I was wondering if the Trump campaign had posted the footage. They'd threatened to do so at one point IIRC.
Are you arguing that's this is not what happened?
How many people were in this mob?
"Laws for thee, but NOT FOR ME!"
This is the type of POS you want running a country. Nice.
The families have zero say in this. It is not a private cemetery. Read my other comment on this if you need to, but you and your buddy in this thread are so far off base. Go back to law school if you have a degree.
They have zero say. It's federal land, and a cemetery at that. They can't bend or change the laws any more than you can declare an FBI office your new house "becuz I PaY year taXes"
Nope, it wasn't. They were turned away, assaulted a representative, and did it anyway thinking they could get away it.
The cemetery rep said they couldn't be there, the law very much says they can't be there, and then they committed extra crimes on top of that.
How are you thinking no laws were broken?
See my other post. The law says nothing like that. It specifically says if it appears that why you are there is for political purposes or campaigns for such. He drove a fucking TRUMP BUS right up to it.
You don't need to be a legal scholar to look at the background of the dumb fucking pictures his own campaign of idiots and morons released to see the gigantic tour busses parked on that street.
Get lost with this noise. Why are you apologizing and trying to find justifications for this asshole?
Trump didn't JUST lay a wreath. See my other statement. If he showed up out of the goodness of his own heart (which he does not have), he could have done so and been gone. No questions.
What fucking reality are you living in? Nobody stopped him for laying a wreath. They stopped him and his ENTOURAGE FROM MAKING THIS POLITICAL AS PART OF A PR STUNT.
Goddamn, y'all gullible.
Keep saying it all you want like a petulant child. Doesn't fix what actually happened. He will, and should, prosecuted for it like all the other bullshit he's done.
How did that " Biden didn't win. Trump is still President"
Work out for you? Greatamenst, or goodest?
Sure he can. He's still in the middle of many criminal prosecution cases right now 🤣