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Dude just loves riling himself up into a frenzy, doesn’t he? I guess he was mad that Hasan was going to interview Obama, which never even happened, and now he thinks Hasan is a “genocide supporter” because a random YouTube clip he came across that said “Hasan supports Kamala’s policies”, which he never even watched and was most likely just clipped. Hasan isn’t perfect, but fuck, you think at least him going to the DNC as a journalist would be considered fair from BE. Wild.

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[-] Sulvor@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago

Hasan seems to be one of the most divisive things on this site lol

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 45 points 2 months ago

Hasan is generally extremely treat-brained, and he isn't as harsh on liberalism or as supportive of AES as us. The difference in opinion is whether he serves the purpose of radicalizing liberals, or preventing further radicalization.

I'm of the opinion that he generally works more for radicalization than against it.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 39 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

we can all agree hes cute and that obviously makes up for his flaws, right :thonk:

[-] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago

hasan-ok-dude not really into men but... honestly he's not bad. You got a point there

[-] heggs_bayer@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago
[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 months ago

I've been twitch-free for about four years and honestly? I feel so much better regarding my ability to focus.

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago

Reddit-free for about a year, unbelievably positive results.

I've even limited my time on Lemmy.ml and the lack of constant liberalism has done wonders.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

I abandoned reddit when they banned r/cth because we kept posting John Brown memes

[-] QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

they banned r/cth because we kept posting John Brown memes

That may have been their excuse to pull the trigger but the reason they banned us was because the sub was becoming very well known, with posts regularly making it to the front page. During a time when reddit was really starting to actively sanitize itself of any actual leftism (for the sake of advertisers, profit, etc. as well as for the sake of becoming the major NATO propaganda hub that it is today) r/cth represented the complete opposite of the direction they were steering the platform. It was quite literally a purge of leftists across the platform and it would have happened whether or not we toed the line by not saying slave owners deserve death anymore or posting John Brown memes. In short, the sub was just starting to get some hints of more mainstream internet attention and there was no way in hell they were going to let that stand.

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

As always, John Brown was correct

[-] usa_suxxx@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago

He's just Democracy Now with parasocial characteristics.

[-] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

people can't criticize their parasocial friends

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

You're the one in here going to bat for an aussie settler asshole who only ever punches left.

[-] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

literally never happened, never have said a single good thing about BE in my life

Are you unable to read or just straight up lying?

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You seem pretty invested in defending him here.

This dunk was all about him being a hypocrit and your whole screed in this thread is some weellll ackshually shit.

Don't message me again.

[-] footfaults@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

You seem pretty invested in defending him here.

Honestly I've seen you commenting on this topic way more.

Don't message me again.

That's now how disengagement works.

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[-] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

hypocrites can still have a correct point

[-] fossphi@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago

Maybe it's just an artefact of the inherent tribalism in any active movement. I haven't really made up my mind fully on this, but it does seem more and more true that "in group" fighting over differences is more vitriolic than out group?

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago

In-group fighting can seem more intense because mutual understanding is assumed, vs outgroup. Marxists can laugh at liberals but tend to take other Marxists seriously enough to get upset, as an example

[-] heartheartbreak@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

Its not in group out group fighting its indovidualism. Individuals thinking they know the way and need to attack others for not thinking that way, instead of being systematic about pushing everybody forward.

[-] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

defending treatbrained streamers as your vanguard of systematic "pushing everybody forward" is actually an extremely capitalist-realist analysis. the way forwards is not twitch streamers, stop trying to make capitalist entertainment products into your friends and also the revolution.

[-] Walk_On@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

Even Hasan would agree with this analysis lol.

That being said, he did say in a recent stream that “you aren’t going to vote the revolution in” so I’d say he’s more then a “treatbrained streamer”.

[-] heartheartbreak@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

Im not talking about streamers i mean on the left in general. Before there was twitter there were 400 groups writing position papers on each others position papers and getting nothing done

[-] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

before twitter there was a world communist movement and revolution in over 50 countries

[-] heartheartbreak@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

Yea good thing the first world had all those successful communist revolutions that definitely werent impacted by individualism to the highest degree. I dont give a fuck about any of these internet people so i dont know why ur so aggressive.

[-] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

I'm aggressive because it's frustrating having to deal with 500 eternal waves of radlib children who repeat the same dumb lib shit over and over to defend what are essentially celebrities.

[-] heartheartbreak@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

Mayb you should just tell people to logoff and then logoff

[-] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

no, i will beat each wave of radlib into submission

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

With what? Your posts? Lmao. No wonder you love these internet weirdos so much.

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

We live in capitalism. Whatever method we use, capitalism will be involved. If someone makes money on Twitch while helpfully radicalizing more people in the right direction, I see that as a good thing. It's definitely worked in the opposite direction to make reactionaries, and there's no reason to give up those methods.

It's like how electoralism won't save us but by running and being crushed Bernie helped radicalized a lot of people. He definitely did more good doing that and introducing socialist ideas, making more future anarchists and socialists than basically every socialist I know of, than every every podcaster or reading circle I've seen since.

[-] usa_suxxx@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

If someone makes money on Twitch while helpfully radicalizing more people in the right direction, I see that as a good thing.

I mean, the 2024 election year is very dead. You had at least Bernie Sanders sheep dogging people into the Democratic Party in 2016 and 2020. Now, there's not even a need for a sheep dog. You're a Trump supporter if you bring up anything. Like, I don't really think a lot of people are radicalizing as stated. Something isn't working as believed.

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

It's not great, especially materially, but narrative-wise things look better than when I was a kid in the 90's: the USSR had fallen, and everyone agreed communism had failed. You couldn't even say the word "socialist" let alone "communist" when I was younger, let alone anyone admit they were one. I think there's just been a liberal backlash to these changes as they try to reconstitute control and power of the narrative, but there's been progress.

The main problem as I see it is just we're not organizing fast enough for the problems capitalism are causing, like climate change, and also foreign policy is still dog shit among most progressives. Also, I worry that this revolutionary atmosphere happened in the 60's too and was dismantled by the police state, so I'm hoping we learned some lessons from that time somehow.

[-] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

The main problem as I see it is just we're not organizing fast enough for the problems capitalism are causing

Wonder if that has anything to do with kids sitting inside watching a guy be "radical" on their behalf and feeling like they've done something?

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

Oh you mean like BE? Who I am fairly certain hasnver done any on the ground praxis in his life.

[-] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

nobody said he had, you're tilting at windmills here

[-] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

Hasan is a pipeline!

A pipeline to where?

Voting Democrat while holding one's nose instead of doing it happily

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[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

You're the one defending the treat brain streamer lol

[-] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

again, stop lying. You are a LIAR. Stop LYING. Bad faith LIAR

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

It is very very clear you are defending the aussie expat here.

[-] SeekTheDeletion@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

nope, never have and never will. you will continue to LIE about it though

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