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It's such a complex problem, it's going to take a long time to fix. Part of the problem is people don't really understand what the real problem is. They think the problem is that there aren't enough detached, single family homes being built. I get why people would focus on single family homes because that's what Americans want. The "American Dream" is to own your own home in the suburbs, and if you think that everyone who wants a single family home should be able to buy one, then, yeah, you're going to see the problem as one of not enough single family homes being built. However, I would argue that the American dream itself is the problem.
Suburbs are expensive, and inefficient, bad for the environment, and bad for our physical and mental health. Suburbs necessitate car dependence, and cars themselves require a lot of expensive infrastructure. I know a lot of Americans don't like to hear it, but we really do need to be living in higher density urban areas. Higher density, mixed use urban areas allow people to walk and bike more, which is better for our health. It's also less expensive. The farther apart everything is, the more you'll need to drive, and that means owning your own car, which is expensive.
I don't think people even necessarily know why they want a single family home. I think Americans want single family homes because we're told from day one that is what we should want. It's our culture. You grow up, get married, buy a home in the suburbs, and start a family. You own at least two cars, you drive everywhere, that's the American dream. I think we need to start questioning if this is really what's best, and if we should really want it. I know I have, and I've decided it isn't best. I think I would be happier and healthier living in a mixed use urban area, where I could walk or bike to a lot of places, or take public transportation, and if I needed to drive somewhere, maybe I'd take a taxi or rent a car or use some car sharing service.
Very few places like these exist in the US, and that's because too many people still want to live in a single family home in the suburbs, and many of those people, also have most of their personal wealth in their home, so they push for restrictive zoning laws and other regulations, limiting how much higher density housing and mixed development can be built, thus making such areas relatively rare and thus expensive. There's a battle going on between people who want single family homes and people who want higher density, mixed use areas.
I know people don't want to talk about that, because they don't want to make it an us vs them thing, but it just is. Our desires are mutually exclusive, due to the finite nature of land. A given piece of land cannot be both a low density, single family suburb and a higher density, mixed use area, simultaneously. It must be one or the other. How we "fix" the housing crisis depends on which we choose to prioritize. We either find ways to build more and more suburbs, or we eliminate single family zoning and invest in building many more, higher density, mixed use urban areas. I know which one I choose.
living in a city with a lot of housing demand, people definitely don’t all want a single-family house. The big push is for zoning changes that allow higher density development: townhomes and small multifamily construction on what were single family lots with setbacks, accessory dwelling units, mixed use apartment buildings with less parking, etc.
Meh my suburb definitely helps my health. I border open space, have a great trail that goes all the way to the city center, and to a state park in the other direction. I either ride my bike or use a convenient bus line to get around, unless I have explicit cause to drive. Many of my friends live within a mile or so of me and we regularly meet at the neighborhood fenced off leash dog park, or walk over to the nearby brewery or coffee shop. My grocery store is easy biking distance.
It's not all suburbs, many are just built shitty. I love where I live and I am definitely enriched by my neighborhood.
That said, it's not for everyone, and to your point lots of higher density housing should be made.
Probably best not to do widely generalize what all Americans want, or suffer from. Edit the larger problem is corporate gobbling of houses as investments when homes should be a wellness, social stability thing.
Certainly some suburbs are better than others. I'm glad that your suburb does not negatively impact your mental and physical wellbeing. Indeed, I am generalizing. However, I would argue that even the best suburbs are still more expensive and worse for the environment than the best urban areas. The more concentrated human population centers are, the more wild land there can be, and that's better for the planet.
That being said, I don't necessarily want to outlaw detached, single family homes, or force people to leave their suburb and move into densely populated urban areas. If your suburb works for you, you should be able to stay there. I do think any tax policies that result in urban areas subsidizing the costs of suburban areas should be eliminated, though.
I think we can find shared agreement on the need to attack zoning and land use in urban areas where office space should be converted to housing.
We can also agree that rewilding open space, increasing the quantity and quality of public transit, modern energy production, polyculturing the suburban yard (from a grass monoculture) are all great things that reduce the impact of suburbs. In my area those topics are increasing popular. I'm regularly seeing people ripping out their grass, for example. But I acknowledge the current status quo of many suburbs which are just grass, detached pickup truck storage.
Mostly agreed! But here's my tale:
I'm exactly where I want to be, home on the edge of a suburb, countryside a mile to the north. The neighborhood was about half developed, half woods. There's been a few dozen new home built in the past several years, and I'm not happy about it.
Know those complexes having a couple of hundred apartments? Yeah, losing my home and having to move to one is my nightmare. I hate living packed in like rats and following bullshit rules. Can't wash your car outside! What if one of your fellow rats slips?
You live on the edge of the developed area, with suburb on one side and countryside on the other.
And more homes went up, transforming the area that you're in into more suburb, and cutting you off from nature.
Do you think the people who moved into those houses also wanted to live with suburb on one side and nature on the other? Conversely, how do you think the people living near the previous edge of the suburb felt when your house went up?
Do you see the problem with this kind of development?
I understand. I don't necessarily have a problem with relatively restrictive zoning in rural areas. But, I do think restrictive zoning becomes a significant problem, the closer you get to population centers, or the centers of towns and cities. Limiting higher density housing in city and town centers kind of necessitates people moving into suburbs and even, eventually, rural areas. If there isn't enough suitable, affordable, relatively dense housing where the jobs and schools and shops are, the suburbs will grow and spread. So, if you want to keep your area as rural as possible, you need to make sure people have plenty of housing options in the city and town centers. Unfortunately, much of the land in many city and town centers is currently zoned exclusively for single family homes. That has to change or sprawl will continue.
You can’t understand how someone wouldn’t want to live in a sardine can?
Some people like having space.
They also like not living in a cacophony of fucking noise all day.
I didn't think people should have to live in sardine cans, I think people should have the opportunity to live in apartments or condos that meet their needs.
All I’m saying is that people absolutely know why they want their own house. Pretending otherwise is a little ridiculous.
If people want to live in an apartment that’s great, but it should be a choice.
There should always be suburban and country living.
All I'm saying is I think people's preferences are influenced by the prevailing culture, which certainly impresses on people that owning a home should be the ideal. We're all influenced by culture, and we're not necessarily always consciously aware of it.
It should be, I agree. And that's a big part of the problem: in many cities, a large percentage, or even a majority of the land is zoned exclusively for single family development. There is no choice to build anything else. If the zoning was changed to allow any and all forms of housing to be built, I'm sure neighborhoods of detached, single family homes would still exist, but there would likely be far fewer of them, and/or they would be further from the city center.