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In December 2022, early into what he now describes as his political journey, Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut gave a speech warning his fellow Democrats that they were ignoring a crisis staring them in the face.

The subject of the speech was what Mr. Murphy called the imminent “fall of American neoliberalism.” This may sound like strange talk from a middle-of-the-road Democratic senator, who up until that point had never seemed to believe that the system that orders our world was on the verge of falling. He campaigned for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders during the 2016 primaries, and his most visible political stance up until then was his work on gun control after the Sandy Hook shooting.

Thoughtful but prone to speaking in talking points, he still comes off more like a polished Connecticut dad than a champion of the disaffected. But Mr. Murphy was then in the full flush of discovering a new way of understanding the state of the nation, and it had set him on a journey that even he has struggled sometimes to describe: to understand how the version of liberalism we’d adopted — defined by its emphasis on free markets, globalization and consumer choice — had begun to feel to many like a dead end and to come up with a new vision for the Democratic Party.

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Mr. Murphy is a team player and has publicly been fully supportive of Ms. Harris, but he also wants Democrats to squarely acknowledge the crisis he believes the country is facing and to offer a vision to unmake the “massive concentration of corporate power” that he thinks is the source of these feelings of helplessness and hopelessness. Only by offering a “firm break” with the past, he believes, can Democrats compete with Republicans like JD Vance, who, with outlines like Project 2025, have a plan to remake American statecraft in their image and who are campaigning on a decisive break with the status quo.

Academics, think tanks and magazines are buzzing with conversations about how to undo the damage wrought by half a century of misguided economic policies. On the right, that debate has already spilled out into the public view. But on the center-left, at least, very few politicians seem to be aware of this conversation — or at least willing to talk about it in front of voters.

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[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

One thing that has started bugging me this election cycle is the term "middle class." I feel stupid for not realizing it sooner, but your point about a single earner supporting a whole family with a house and 2.5 kids and usually 2 cars is incredibly important.

Is there a meaningfully large middle class in America any more, at least in those terms? I know people who manage to fund a whole household on their salary alone but those are low-ish 6-figure salaries (~$170k). Even then, a few curveballs come in and suddenly they're screwed.

We need to recouple the productivity of the American worker with their income. We need more and stronger unions. We need to abolish so called "right to work" laws. We need to override Citizens United. We need to break up these huge monopolies & oligopolies.

We can do some of that if we elect Harris/Walz.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 16 points 3 months ago

We desperately need some trust busting too.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Is there a meaningfully large middle class in America any more, at least in those terms? I know people who manage to fund a whole household on their salary alone but those are low-ish 6-figure salaries (~$170k). Even then, a few curveballs come in and suddenly they're screwed.

No, there really isn't. People who would have been middle class in the 60s are now squarely lower middle class or outright poor. The only people who can still be considered Middle class are what we previously would have referred to as Upper Middle Class, eg: the professional class with mostly advanced degrees.

You can cheat somewhat by being a DINK couple but you're still restricted to House or Kids (pick one) and pray you don't develop a chronic health condition.

Wall St going all in on buying homes certainly isn't helping either, many DINK couples can't afford a house in the higher CoL areas where salaries would have been high enough for them to previously.