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TSMC Arizona struggles to overcome vast differences between Taiwanese and US work culture
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Important to note that this is Taiwanese culture, not Chinese; Taiwan is much more exacting in the finished product and generally much more attentive to human rights in terms of work culture, so it is not a direct correlation to what happened in the American Factory doc.
Which brings us to what I believe is the more salient point:
TSMC is very Christian and at least their top management likens their research, discoveries and manufacturing progress to faith-based divine revelation.
The symptoms of worker's rights abuse may not be simple disregard for labor rights so much as continued religious fervor.
https://www.wired.com/story/i-saw-the-face-of-god-in-a-tsmc-factory/
Their R&D is scientific, but their motivation, timelines and sheer effort is strongly faith-based, in the mindset that God has allowed them to get this far and will allow them to continue to progress no matter what technological hurdles appear.
Either way, labor rights have to be respected, but I wanted to point out that Taiwan and China are entirely separate countries with different work cultures and there's another pretty important reason why outside workers might be put off by the zealotry with which tsmc focuses on developing cutting edge chip manufacturing.
Taiwan is less than 4% Christian. I doubt workers in TSMC are significantly different.
E: 3.9%, source
TSMC specifically hires and promotes devout Christians for leadership positions and they say for all positions that Christian belief is important.
It's in the attached article.
TSMC chairman Mark Liu says that "Every scientist must beleieve in God" and about TSMC's work, "God means nature. We are describing the face of nature at TSMC".
3.9%
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Taiwan
Buddhism is at 35.1%, Taoism at 33%, and atheism at 18.7%.
Needless to say, Christianity is not "Taiwanese culture". They're about as Christian as Germany is Islamic (3.7%).
This article says nothing other than that a few people in high up positions at TSMC are Christian. It doesn't say anything about pushing Christianity onto workers.
And yeah of course Christians say Christianity is important and that they see god in nature. They're Christians.
If you're going to blindly insist on baseless believies instead of the direct available testimony of the literal TSMC chairpeople, employees and bosses there, that's your issue.
enjoy your dreams.
The direct testimony of a couple of TSMC chairpeople is "I'm a Christian and I believe in God. I see God in nature, yes."
Pretty much all Christians see god in nature. They're Christians.
Zero evidence that they specifically hire Christians. Zero evidence that they push religion onto people.
You're the one extrapolating that all of TSMC must be fervently Christian (not backed up by the article!), and that Taiwan in general is Christian in culture (definitely not in the article!)
I also highly doubt that the culture issue here is that Taiwan (3.9% Christian) is too culturally Christian for the US (67% Christian).
One of us is dreaming, but it's not me.
You're misquoting the article and wildly misinterpreting my comments so that you have a straw man to throw a tantrum about.
Your make-believe is showing
You're the one playing make-believe mate.
A Christian says they see god in nature and you jump to the conclusion that TSMC is effectively a faith organisation and that there's a Christian conspiracy to push religion on workers. That TSMC is too Christian for the US of all places.
The cultural issue at play here is not Christianity lmao.
Yeah mate. Taiwanese culture, as well as TSMC's, being too Christian is definitely the issue here! /sarcasm
Keep making straw man arguments materially irrelevant to my comments and the testimony of tsmc themselves.
It's easier to make your argument if you just make up your own story, isn't it?
without all those pesky contextual facts and quotes getting in the way.
isn't it?
u wot
It's not really true.
It stems from a couple of their chairmen being Christian and saying "I see god in nature" (something that I imagine all Christians do).
The above user then extrapolated that Taiwan is Christian (they're actually 3.9% Christian lol), that TSMC hires people based on religion, and that the reason TSMC is struggling with their US plant is because Taiwan is too Christian in culture for a 67% Christian country, as opposed to, oh I dunno, the discrepancy in working conditions between the US and Taiwan.
I don't understand the question
I don't understand anything you wrote.
that must be difficult